Fights you want to see.

Capt. America (Steve Rogers) vs. classic Deathstroke: The Terminator (Slade Wilson) (when these guys were in their prime, they were basically the ultimate human fighting machines. This comic would rock.

The 80's Avengers vs. pre-COIE Brainiac (the robot version and his skull ship) and Lex Luthor (in his power armor). Drawn by George Perez of course. 

Darkseid vs. an Infinity Gauntlet welding Thanos.

Batman vs. Taskmaster

John wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 7:37pm:


Batman, hands down.

John wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 9:11pm:


Which Vigilante? I'm thinking Adrian Chase, or am I off?

dsumner wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 9:14pm:



Adrian Chase.  And for the record,  he goes down like a brick if faced off agaisnt that mad man Frank Castle.  Anyone read the MAX series?   Castle is one of the best fighters in the comic book universe.  I think Batman would be toasted by Frank.

dsumner wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 7:36pm:


I think Captain America would beat Deathstroke.  Not at first.  First Slade would beat Steve seven ways to Sunday.  Then Cap would make it his mission to take him down.  When it comes to planning,  Batman is the only one that comes close to Cap.

Darkseid vs Thanos.  I call Darkseid for two reasons.
A.  Thanos is the universes biggest maschocist.  He loves to be beat.  The easier it is for him to win, the more he sabotauges himself. 

B.  Darkseid, while he has lost a few battles, is still fighting the same war.  I really think that Darkseid is some dark shepard, leading his flock ( ei everyone) towards some sinister end.  He shows up when they stray to far from his scheme, and goads them back to his path.  If it  means he takes a beating inorder to do so, its cool with him.  He knows that some day he will have his anti life equations, so its ok what happens in the short term.


The Avengers vs Braniac Luther?   Just think of this as  The Avengers vs Korvac and Ultron.  This is a tough one.  I have to think.

The Punisher vs. Batman's rogues gallery, excluding the Joker, as he's a special case.

Thor vs. Black Adam.

John wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 9:56pm:


The Joker is no mere "psycho clown". See what happens when you try to bring enlightenment to the masses.

dsumner wrote on Jul 12^th, 2009 at 10:01pm:


There is a reason Frank doesn't have recurring villains.

To tell the truth,  I have no comics with the Punisher and the Kingpin.  He is never mentioned in the max series. I never picked him up until Garth Ennis took over.    It makes sense they would fight.  Did Frank ever shoot him?

More comic fights that I want to see. Galactus vs. Darkseid. Come on, can you imagine him trying to devour New Genesis?

Daredevil vs. Batman's foes

Nick Fury vs Sgt Rock.

Ok, I am reviving this thread,  but here are the rules;   you pick a person or person to go at it,  the next person has to respond to it THEN they get to pick a new battle.  Go it?

Cool,  I will start..

Wonder Woman vs Thundra.

Black Widow VS Black Canary.

Two women, one in skin tight leather, the other in fishnets.  I think its the fans that win that one....

I think Natasha will keep Mrs. Queen on the ropes for a long time.   Nastasha will press her advantage until a very frustrated Canary lets loose with a song that knockes the Russian spy for a loop.

Lets go to Dsumner's pick, which is still unanswered.   Who wins a tech war, Lex Luthor or Tony Stark?

Eh.. There's a reason I didn't post my reply to BC vs BW.. I'm still playing it in my mind.

..and it's just about to become rated R. <smirk>

Depuis toujours. Une vie non-épicée est comme un sourire qui ne touches pas les yeux. Vide. 

Lex vs Tony:
I see Lex as a schemer where Tony's more of a action oriented man. I know that recent history has changed that and flipped the coins on both counts.

I would see Lex putting up a good fight and not fighting fair, but, in the end, Tony would beat him with better technology and slightly longer ranging plans.

Wonderman vs Captain Atom

Captain Atom beats up Wonder Man.   Why?  Captain Atom has Superman level strength and invulnerablity AND he controls all forms of energy.    Put him up against a guy MADE of energy and you have a massacre.
  Sorry, but Simon doesn't stand a chance against Nathan.


MoonKnight Vs Knighthawk.

The Defenders version.

I think with just plain fists, I would have to go with Black Panther.   He can bench press 800 pounds and has enhanced aglity and senses.    It would be a good fight, but I think T'challa would mop the floor with him.   He fought the Fantastic Four to a standstill.   I think people underestimate him.

Yeah, I can see Batman coming up with some cool gadget to neutralize T'Challa for a bit, but the BP would win solidly in the end.

Black Panther is another of those characters that - like the Beast and Spider-Man - comes out with hella HP in V&V, due to the fact that he's got really good Basic Characteristics across the board - Strength, Endurance, Agility, Intelligence (and even Charisma, though it doesn't factor into HP).

Other than make an exciting 80 page giant ( the only formate that can handle this battle) I don't see Thanos coming off to well here.
    Superman going toe to toe with the Mad Titan, while Wonder Woman tries to hold him back with her lasso,  Martian Manhunter uses telepathy to reveal that he secretly WANTS to be defeated ( its true, that is is weakness!) Batman finds his lover Death and brings her to the fight and she explains that she has embraced Superman, Batman, and even Wonder Woman, but not Thanos.  This demoralised him,  leaving him open for that onslaught of punches from Aquaman,  Superman and Wonder Woman while Martian Manhunter deleviers the mental coup de grace.

I'd give this one to the JLA. But, it also depends on who's writing the story, as Magneto's power levels seem to fluctuate depending on who's writing him at the time.

Wizard magazine already did Bats vs Daredevil and i have to agree that Bats would win.

Lex Corp Battlesuit vs. Ironman Armour (I missed out on this one).

In the classic versions of these charatcers, Tony wins out every time. In more modern versions however, Lex would win 9/10 times

(1) Lex's suit can go toe to toe with Superman for a limited time and is powered by a nigh in-exhaustable power source. Tony always has to play a defensive battle against Thor, and has always been plagued with power issues.

(2) Until quite recently, Tony had to fund and create his armors in secret, ensuring that "Ironman" remained cutting edge by both hording his best technical advancements and keeping his private holdings, private (Armor Wars).
Lex creates his battlesuits for private industry, the military, ect. It's nothing to see a fleet of Lex Corp suits bringing down a villain just to secure a favour from some politician.    

(3) Lex is a very powerful villain who is viewed by most of the populace as a hero.
Ironman with his Tony Stark identity revealed, has been pardoned all previous crimes, but nobody really knows if they can trust him anymore.

At best - Lex would wear Tony down, at worst - Lex would cheat

Batman Vs. Black Panther (while I would love to see T'challa kick Bruce's ass)

(1) Straight fight Black Panther simply overwhelm's Batman.
     Eliminating the fact that they're both masters of stealth.
     Black Panther has enhanced senses and stats, plus his
     costume.

(2) Problem is T'Challa's nobility and very public identity. If this fight happened in a DC title, Batman would win simply because he would be able to locate him at the most inconvenient time for the Panther. If the Panther enters Gotham discretely he has no allies, if he openly enters Gotham he becomes an instant dignitary with the press following his every move.    

Mike wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 9:05pm:


Which version of Timberwolf? And does he get his Legion Flight Ring?

Mike wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2010 at 9:05pm:


Bat's takes him but Wildcat puts up a good fight, landing a few solid blows on Bats.

Hey Mike
  Like I said, in a straight fight Black Panther wins.
I was more commenting on the fact that somebody would have to write an intro to this fight if it was a comic:

  T'challa comes to Gotham to hold seminars on urban crime, the squalor of the ghettos, the plight on young black people in America. The fact that Wakanda does not exist in DC would be worked around.

  Also, to be true to the characters, when's the last time you saw Batman not press every advantage, moral and immoral to win a fight. I was suggesting that a fair fight between the two was highly unlikely.

Wolverine Vs. Timberwolf would be an interesting fight:

  Wolverine has his claws, regeneration, adamantium bones and the advantage of experience. Timberwolf would probably come across as being Wolverine junior, but even ignoring the Legion gear at his disposal, Timberwolf has a measure of super-speed and claws and I can't help thinking he'd shred Wolverine to pieces.

Daredevil vs. Batman's foes
  I have to think Daredevil would be very hard pressed against Batman's foes. The criminal elite (Penguin / Joker / Riddler types) would be pretty standard.
  But imagine all the villains that would screw up his heightened senses leaving him virtually blind. Imagine fighting Croc in the confines of the sewers, or Poison Ivy in the gardens. Scarecrow's fear toxins affect the mind, so even if his radar sense told him it wasn't tangible he'd still have to convince himself.
  I would really love to see this one as Daredevil only has a few memorable villains of his own.

Black Banther vs. Timberwolf !!!!
 
  Not sure.
This is a very hard choice, they fill the same niches on their respective teams, have similar abilities, appear to fight on or around the same power level. This is going to sound like a cop-out but I think this comes down to this:
If Timberwolf goes wild, Panther out-prowess' Timberwolf.
If Timberwolf keeps his cool, He out-strength's Panther.

Here are two more:

Silver Age Ma Kent (before she died) vs. Peter Parker's sweet ol' Aunt May.

Silver Age Pa Kent (before he died) vs. Peter Parker's dear ol' Uncle Ben (before he died)

Lord Inar wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 10:58am:



The imp from the fifth dimension would win. His magic is far more powerful than Impossible Man's shape-changing abilities.


How about ....

Elongated Man vs. Mr. Fantastic

Green Arrow vs. Hawkeye

Power Girl vs. Ms. Marvel

Zatanna vs. Crystal of the Inhumans

Mike wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 7:28pm:


Mr. Fantastic takes down Ralph easily, as Reed uses his intelligence to gain the upper hand.

Green Arrow vs. Hawkeye. - I'd have to call a draw on that one, if it were strictly a contest of skills with the bow.

Power Girl beats Ms. Marvel to a pulp, as they're not even on the same playing field, when it comes to power levels.

Zatanna's magic is far more versatile than Crystal's control over the elements, so I'd have to give it to her.

Green Lantern vs. Dr. Strange

GLs, Hal and Kyle would take a pounding, Guy would die of embarassment being locked in by crimson bands of cyttorak.
(Paralax, however would make an excellent opponent for Doctor Strange)

Starfire of the Titans vs. Storm of the X-Men

Can't answer that as I hate the "Classic X-men"

Batman vs. Karnak of the Inhumans

Wow, you really want to see Batman take a pounding - Karnak destroys the Dark Knight with one blow, Bane stares in complete disbelief, then goes home and cries himself to sleep.

Tempest (Aqualad) vs. Triton of the Inhumans

I'd have to say Tempest has the upper hand with his ability to really mess with fish and fish related beings, unless of course they've retconned this ability out

Hawkgirl vs. Medusa of the Inhumans

Don't really know much about Medusa, sorry.

Medusa beats Hawgirl down.    Unless Hawkgirl is smart enough to stay with ranged weapons.  But if she tries to swoop in with a mace or something,  Medusa will grab her, pin her and make mincemeat of her.

Green Lantern vs Dr. Strange.


At first,  Green Lantern would have Dr. Strange on the ropes.  But after a scan by the Eye of Agamatto,  Strange would realise that a Green Lantern's strength is based on their will power.   Using the images of ikkon to cause distracting illusions,  Strange could then summon the Fumes of Falazar to sap their will.   The Green Lantern's constructs will lose their potentcy, causeing the Lantern to be enveloped by the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak.   

Either that or he blasts them with a yellow blast.   Same effect.

Lord Inar wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2010 at 10:58am:


Yes we would but wouldn't be able to read it due to the weirdness that would be all around the thing lol

John-
  After reading your description of the Daredevil vs. The Demons Head I have a few things to say.

Great story! The kind of stuff I like in my games as a GM and see too little as a player. I want my GM to be that kind of devious thinker, makes me work on thinking at my side of the table

Do you mean Black Bolt or Black Adam?

If it was Black Adam, then you could throw in Captain Marvel and the Magus for a real four-way Battle Royale!

Oh the duplicity of it all!

John wrote on May 23^rd, 2011 at 8:29pm:

No contest really.

Cosmic powered Warlock cleans the Attillian leaders clock, while Soul Gem Adam takes it on the chin after a decent but predetermined fight.

My turn ...

Nightwing versus the Winter Soldier

and as a bonus ...

Karate Kid versus Iron Fist 

Ant Man VS The Atom.

Which Antman are we talking about, as it'll have an effect on my decision.

Hmmmm....I'll have to give it some thought, as it'd be tough.

With everyone's permission, Instead of comic companies versus each other I want to make the next RPGs against each other.

Dr. Apocalypse vs Dr Destroyer

and

Enforcer vs Marksman

I've got one for you guys Eurostar (4e Champions version) vs. the Destroyers.

I haven't looked a Champions much since 3e came out so here is my take with the Eurostar I know.

Eurostar vs Destroyers ----->Winner

Fiacho - Annihilator-------->Annihilator
Durak - Behemoth--------->Behemoth
Bora - Shapeshifter-------->Shapeshifter
Pantera - Ratman---------->Pantera
Le_Sone - Electrocutioner-->Le_Sone
Mentalla - Iron Maiden----->Mentalla

2ND ROUND
Mentalla - Annihilator------>Mentalla
Pantera - Shapeshifter---->Shapeshifter
Le_Sone - Behemoth------>Behemoth

3rD Round
Mentalla - Behemoth            
            - Shapeshifter---->Shapeshifter

Winner
Destroyers



Yes, based on purely biased and unfair analysis, The Destroyers would win.

I declare my V&V love proudly and loudly.