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AslanC Ex Member	An Old V&V Player Returning Dec 11^th, 2009 at 1:37am	Print Post
	Hello all, So the first every RPG I ever ran back in 1985 was V&V. I fell in love with this game (I had picked up Champions at the same time and couldn't make height nor hair of it). I loved this game but eventually got talked into MSH Classic in about 1989 and sort of moved on. Now, older and hopefully wiser, I am returning to V&V. I don't know if I will play it again, try to modernize it or just bask in the nostalgia. Whatever the case turns out to be, it's just nice to see it is alive and well. Cheers.


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Rick Apprentice Offline Posts: 64 Location: Vegas Joined: Nov 23^rd, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #1 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 1:53am	Print Post
	Welcome aboard, AslanC. If your name's a Narnia reference, it's very a-pro-po for a long-lost, returning player.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #2 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	Welcome home!
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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	So you are on the move? Welcome.

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Hammer Justice Leaguer Offline Stranger in a Stranger Land Posts: 528 Location: McKinney, TX Joined: Aug 17^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #4 - Dec 11^th, 2009 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	Welcome Aslan!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #5 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 12:15am	Print Post
	Welcome to the site.

	"There is no such things as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men." "Nemo me impune lacessit"
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AslanC Ex Member	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #6 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 1:50pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. Please feel free to check out my blog at; http://earthalpha.blogspot.com/ My most recent post is about my V&V quest Feel free to sign up as a follower, I don't post often but I usually try to have fun with it So since this is a nice neutral post, I will use it to ask some questions. 1] Living Legends wasn't my cup of tea, but has anyone ever updated or modernized V&V, while keeping the flavour of the original? 2] Are there any fan produced projects? Or which section would be appropriate to discuss/create them in? 3] What are the rules of discussing other superhero rpgs? 4] What are the feelings on raising old threads from the dead? Thanks for taking the time to read this.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #7 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	Hey Aslan, No rules about other games, raising old threads, or pretty much anything. If you want to talk about anything but you are not sure where to go, go to Hero Chat. My Mod style is very laid back. As long as a poster doesn't give out someone's personal info, its cool. We are all adults here. I am in the process of revising my house rules and copying the rule books format. In fact, if anyone has a scan of the rule book that I can use with Microsoft word, let me know. And I never played Living Legends, It didn't feel right to me.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #8 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	Welcome, Aslan. I'm Doug, the one who recommended this site over on the Yahoo email group. As for your questions: 1) I think you'll find the general consensus here is that Living Legends is not a true, worthy successor to V&V. It's got a tiny bit of the flavor, but not as much as most of us would like. I playtested the game for Jeff Dee, and wanted to really like it, but too much of it falls short. I wish there was a V&V 3.0 that we could all agree on, but I've found - especially in playing with different players and groups from around the world - that we're all too opinionated about what should or shouldn't be in there. Most of us have simply made up our own homebrewed rules additions and changes. 2) There's a ton of fan-produced stuff out there. There's a number of websites that have stuff; two of the notable ones that are loaded with great stuff are: V&V Emporium: http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/index.html V&V Campaign HQ: http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/campaigns/hq/ There's also a Most Wanted Volume 2, and many people's websites devoted to their specific campaigns. 3) As John said, feel free. Probably Hero Talk is the most appropriate place. 4) Go for it! Great to have you here!


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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #9 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:34pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 1:58pm: Hey Aslan, No rules about other games, raising old threads, or pretty much anything. If you want to talk about anything but you are not sure where to go, go to Hero Chat. My Mod style is very laid back. As long as a poster doesn't give out someone's personal info, its cool. We are all adults here. I am in the process of revising my house rules and copying the rule books format. In fact, if anyone has a scan of the rule book that I can use with Microsoft word, let me know. And I never played Living Legends, It didn't feel right to me. I've got the rulebook in Microsoft Word (or at least most of it), thanks to the hard work of Justice. Let me know an email and I'll see if I can't get it to you.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #10 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:34pm: John wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 1:58pm: Hey Aslan, No rules about other games, raising old threads, or pretty much anything. If you want to talk about anything but you are not sure where to go, go to Hero Chat. My Mod style is very laid back. As long as a poster doesn't give out someone's personal info, its cool. We are all adults here. I am in the process of revising my house rules and copying the rule books format. In fact, if anyone has a scan of the rule book that I can use with Microsoft word, let me know. And I never played Living Legends, It didn't feel right to me. I've got the rulebook in Microsoft Word (or at least most of it), thanks to the hard work of Justice. Let me know an email and I'll see if I can't get it to you. Send it to Jbua@juno.com Thanks! What is missing? I don't need the law part, just the rules.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #11 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:48pm: Majestic wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:34pm: John wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 1:58pm: Hey Aslan, No rules about other games, raising old threads, or pretty much anything. If you want to talk about anything but you are not sure where to go, go to Hero Chat. My Mod style is very laid back. As long as a poster doesn't give out someone's personal info, its cool. We are all adults here. I am in the process of revising my house rules and copying the rule books format. In fact, if anyone has a scan of the rule book that I can use with Microsoft word, let me know. And I never played Living Legends, It didn't feel right to me. I've got the rulebook in Microsoft Word (or at least most of it), thanks to the hard work of Justice. Let me know an email and I'll see if I can't get it to you. Send it to Jbua@juno.com Thanks! What is missing? I don't need the law part, just the rules. I thought it was complete, but the last time I looked at it, it seemed like there was something not there. I'll have to check when I get home. Nice thing is, it's not just a scan (I've got PDF versions of the rules simply scanned in). Justice took the time to carefully and methodically type it out character by character. It's a beautiful thing for cutting and pasting in your own home rules (making a customized, personalized rulebook of your own).


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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #12 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	Quote: Thanks for the warm welcome everyone. Please feel free to check out my blog at; http://earthalpha.blogspot.com/ My most recent post is about my V&V quest Feel free to sign up as a follower, I don't post often but I usually try to have fun with it Read through your blog and really enjoyed it. Well written!
	« Last Edit: Dec 12^th, 2009 at 6:22pm by Majestic »

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #13 - Dec 12^th, 2009 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 6:20pm: John wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:48pm: Majestic wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:34pm: John wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 1:58pm: Hey Aslan, No rules about other games, raising old threads, or pretty much anything. If you want to talk about anything but you are not sure where to go, go to Hero Chat. My Mod style is very laid back. As long as a poster doesn't give out someone's personal info, its cool. We are all adults here. I am in the process of revising my house rules and copying the rule books format. In fact, if anyone has a scan of the rule book that I can use with Microsoft word, let me know. And I never played Living Legends, It didn't feel right to me. I've got the rulebook in Microsoft Word (or at least most of it), thanks to the hard work of Justice. Let me know an email and I'll see if I can't get it to you. Send it to Jbua@juno.com Thanks! What is missing? I don't need the law part, just the rules. I thought it was complete, but the last time I looked at it, it seemed like there was something not there. I'll have to check when I get home. Nice thing is, it's not just a scan (I've got PDF versions of the rules simply scanned in). Justice took the time to carefully and methodically type it out character by character. It's a beautiful thing for cutting and pasting in your own home rules (making a customized, personalized rulebook of your own). Cool, that is exactly what I am looking for.

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AslanC Ex Member	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #14 - Dec 13^th, 2009 at 3:14am	Print Post
	Thanks everyone Yeah how do I get this place to send me email notifications when threads I have typed in are replied to? Sorry to miss all those posts. Thanks for reading the blog. I am still not sure returning to V&V is right for me, but I will read it over the holidays and see. Thanks for the links. Where do I find this "Most Wanted 2" project?


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Imaginos Justice Leaguer Offline Overpowered Hero Posts: 552 Location: Tennessee Joined: Jun 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #15 - Dec 13^th, 2009 at 11:12am	Print Post
	Quote: Where do I find this "Most Wanted 2" project? Here is the website to the project: http://mostwantedtwo.iwarp.com/ Just realize that it has been dead in the water (as far as anything new) for a LOOOOOOOONG time.


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AslanC Ex Member	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #16 - Dec 14^th, 2009 at 11:40am	Print Post
	Thanks for the link sir


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Hammer Justice Leaguer Offline Stranger in a Stranger Land Posts: 528 Location: McKinney, TX Joined: Aug 17^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #17 - Dec 15^th, 2009 at 12:40pm	Print Post
	Living Legends - I really think this is Jeff's attempt to save the game he loves. I mean V&V was created by Jeff and Jack in their teens, and look at how it has held up. The fact that the publisher is killing it, and Jeff has no recourse is tough. I think it's also an attempt to make V&V more similar to Champions, the game that I abandoned V&V for many years ago... I blame it on my youth. Say what you want about how bland and heartless Champions is compared to V&V. If you look at what's going on in the marketplace, Champions s still rocking and rolling, growing and making cash. They keep putting out modules, though most are remakes of their more popular titles, and revised rulesets on a regular basis. They are at conventions, and doing what a game has to do to succeed. I think Jeff's idea is to try to maintain the best of V&V, while apealing to the audience that wants the illusion of balance that a points based game provides.


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Hammer Justice Leaguer Offline Stranger in a Stranger Land Posts: 528 Location: McKinney, TX Joined: Aug 17^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #18 - Dec 15^th, 2009 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Dec 12^th, 2009 at 4:34pm: I've got the rulebook in Microsoft Word (or at least most of it), thanks to the hard work of Justice.Let me know an email and I'll see if I can't get it to you. I'd love a copy as well... ninehammonds@mail.com. Thanks!


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AslanC Ex Member	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #19 - Dec 15^th, 2009 at 3:03pm	Print Post
	I think the concept of game "balance" is a silly thing. Certain characters are always going to excel while others will lag, and more often than not it depends on the player and the gm, no the system. UNless it's D&D, then just play a wizard with lots of fighter and cleric meat-shields and eventually you will rule the universe


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Hammer Justice Leaguer Offline Stranger in a Stranger Land Posts: 528 Location: McKinney, TX Joined: Aug 17^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #20 - Dec 15^th, 2009 at 10:19pm	Print Post
	Exactly, as I said, the illusion of balance. You might use the same number of points, but that doesn't make all characters equal. Comics have never been like that. I think it's one of the things they got right with City of Heroes, I mean, I think there should be a way to get powers from other powersets, but the basic premise is a good one.


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Draconis Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 32 Location: Indianapolis, IN Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #21 - Jun 4^th, 2010 at 12:57am	Print Post
	Believe you, me. I have been a Champions guru since... Nevermind how long... But I can gaurantee that my 250 points and the next guy's are NOT the same. I haven't played V&V in a long time. Avatar suggested this site to me and its kinda got me jazzed about playing V&V. I still have my original copy. Both system's have their merits. V&V is much simpler and the character generation is A LOT faster. I'm looking forward to having some fun here though!!! Until next time, EXCELSIOR!!!!!

	RWOOOAAR!!!!!
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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #22 - Jun 4^th, 2010 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Draconis wrote on Jun 4^th, 2010 at 12:57am: Believe you, me. I have been a Champions guru since... Nevermind how long... But I can gaurantee that my 250 points and the next guy's are NOT the same. I haven't played V&V in a long time. Avatar suggested this site to me and its kinda got me jazzed about playing V&V. I still have my original copy. Both system's have their merits. V&V is much simpler and the character generation is A LOT faster. I'm looking forward to having some fun here though!!! Until next time, EXCELSIOR!!!!! Great to have you here, Draconis! I think you're totally right - both systems have their plusses and their minuses. We look forward to having some fun with you here, too! Welcome!


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Draconis Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 32 Location: Indianapolis, IN Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #23 - Jun 10^th, 2010 at 11:57am	Print Post
	Thanks!

	RWOOOAAR!!!!!
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Black Bolt Avenger Offline Leader of the Inhuman Debating Society Posts: 276 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Joined: Mar 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: An Old V&V Player Returning Reply #24 - Jun 10^th, 2010 at 9:01pm	Print Post
	Thought I should pop in and say welcome aboard to Draconis. Cheers, Tim

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