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What lies between "Cosmic" and "Street"?
Sep 12th, 2010 at 10:16pm
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Some people like playing Cosmic Level campaigns and reading about cosmic-level superheroes.

Some people like playing Street Level campaigns and reading about street-level superheroes.

So ... what's the industry terminology for the power level/s between Cosmic and Street?
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Re: What lies between "Cosmic" and "Street"?
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I'm not sure there's a term for what I'd consider "standard four color" games. It's what I'd consider an average game .
  

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Spiderman-
Because he's not entirely street and not quite take on Galactus level....
  

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davew wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 1:34am:
Spiderman-
Because he's not entirely street and not quite take on Galactus level....


So where does CHuck Norris fall?  Wink
  

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Re: What lies between "Cosmic" and "Street"?
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I like the notion of the phrase 'standard 4-color', but it seems to limit the content by the virtuosity/moral content that usually goes with that idea, as in a particular age of publishing...

I've always thought my campaigns in terms like this:

Most people who hear a call to action and exploit their talents and knowledge to act without the benefit of virtually any superior powers or equipment could be said to be of street level... we called this simply 'heroic'; the idea of this that ones actions define you and a street level character having still more skill and ability than an average citizen in most cases...

Then the next level which has the abundance of more powerful abilities as 'superheroic'; most V&V campaigns are located in this comfort zone which includes the happy-go-lucky four color and also the gritter Authority/Watchmen types. I usually take note that the farther a 4-color campaign progresses in experience points and power gain, the closer to cosmic it becomes as the content becomes more complex. It also seems to take on grittier content as the players try to make characters more interesting, detailed, and relevant.

At the top of that evolution, intervention by higher forms of beings such as gods, spirits, certain masters of mysticism, and stellar characters cause the landscape of the setting as reacted to by players to be 'cosmic'. They travel greater distances and interdimensionally as a matter of course as they become aware of beings greater than the perception of the normal populaces of their home worlds....
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I agree with DS that there is no default term for what's become the "standard" superhero campaign.

DS: Chuck Norriss would be Street. But in the Chuck Norris jokes he's Cosmic.  Smiley

Dave: Yes, Spider-Man fits in that middle category. So do a lot of heroes. But I wouldn't name the category "Spider-Man," if that's what you're suggesting. Maybe I'm misreading you.

AK: I'm not sure I follow much of what you're saying.
  
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Oh, but we must name it Spider-Man! And we can name the street level Punisher, sorta above street level but not quite Batman, and silly scenarios not worth repeating...ever... Howard The Duck.  Grin
  

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... and yes, the cat's out of the bag... I try to be the neutral, good pr, happy person but I cannot any longer... I detest Howard The Duck.

(when I grabbed my own big, oversized copy of DK's Marvel Encyclopedia and saw dear Howard shoved in the middle of the pages I thought, "what the h* is this s* doing in here!?!")
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 9:27pm
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Yeah, I see Howard's appearances as apocryhal. I just wish that Marvel also saw them that way!

I must confess that I like Captain Carrot. Everything about him I like. Most of the Zoo Crew, though, were lame in my book. But I'd buy a Captain Carrot solo series in a snap. This, of course, is totally off topic, I know.  Smiley
  
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umm,  I have every Howard the Duck comic.  I will walk out the room backwards, so I can keep my eye out for any hammers being flung my way...
  

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John wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 9:29pm:
umm,  I have every Howard the Duck comic.  I will walk out the room backwards, so I can keep my eye out for any hammers being flung my way...


During the Secret Invasion posters, when they showed Howard, I was thinking he would turn out to be a Skrull.  Smiley
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:32pm
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"AK: I'm not sure I follow much of what you're saying.

Did anyone else understand what I posted in this thread?
@Goliath had no idea what I was saying.
  

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AlabasterKnight wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:32pm:
"AK: I'm not sure I follow much of what you're saying.

Did anyone else understand what I posted in this thread?
@Goliath had no idea what I was saying.


AK, you've posted in the wrong thread.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 21st, 2010 at 11:29pm
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John wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 9:29pm:
umm,  I have every Howard the Duck comic.  I will walk out the room backwards, so I can keep my eye out for any hammers being flung my way...


John, if you like Howard the Duck, check out the latest Two True Freaks podcast (Episode #142): http://twotruefreaks.libsyn.com/episode-142-comics-monthly-monday-23-howard-the-...
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dsumner wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 1:41am:
So where does CHuck Norris fall?  Wink


Chuck Norris doesn't fall. Everything else moves up to meet him.
  
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AlabasterKnight wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 11:32pm:
"AK: I'm not sure I follow much of what you're saying.

Did anyone else understand what I posted in this thread?
@Goliath had no idea what I was saying.


I followed it, AK.
  
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davew wrote on Sep 20th, 2010 at 9:05pm:
... and yes, the cat's out of the bag... I try to be the neutral, good pr, happy person but I cannot any longer... I detest Howard The Duck.

(when I grabbed my own big, oversized copy of DK's Marvel Encyclopedia and saw dear Howard shoved in the middle of the pages I thought, "what the h* is this s* doing in here!?!")


I detest him as well.

When I played Marvel's Overpower card game, they had Howard the Duck's image on the "2" card (an essential card you needed to have in your deck).  I would play with another version of the "2" card that (game-wise) was less efficient and powerful, simply because the lesser version did not have Howard the Duck's image on it.

I have also never watched more than a few seconds of the movie.    Grin
  
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Majestic- THANK YOU! Uhm, no offense to John... But Thank You!

I mean, I know that the super hero genre isn't exactly realistic by any means, but I try to keep mine at least a bit more realistic than having the living equivalent of a cartoon duck running around.
  

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davew wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 7:23pm:
Majestic- THANK YOU! Uhm, no offense to John... But Thank You!

I mean, I know that the super hero genre isn't exactly realistic by any means, but I try to keep mine at least a bit more realistic than having the living equivalent of a cartoon duck running around.


As do I.  In our campaign, we recently brought a dog back with the team when they returned from an apocalyptic future.  The player/GM who ran that future apocalypse rolled up stats for the dog (it's really agile and pretty smart) and wanted to actually play it (him) for awhile (as a PC) - Gypsy the Crime Dog!  I encouraged him to reconsider, as having a dog with a cape (not that he would have put a cape on it, but you know what I mean) is starting to go down the road to silliness that is a bit too campy and corny for my tastes (no Krypto the Super Dog in my campaign!)    Grin

Besides (and the line of reasoning I used with him), it would end up being too difficult to never be able to talk (like playing a Wookiee in the Star Wars RPG), he could easily be killed (one bullet, likely), and the novelty would likely wear off pretty quickly.  Plus, the other heroes aren't likely going to just take a dog along when they go on a mission!   Smiley
  
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How about the Inhuman's Lockjaw Roll Eyes
  

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Majestic wrote on Sep 25th, 2010 at 2:47pm:
davew wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 7:23pm:
Majestic- THANK YOU! Uhm, no offense to John... But Thank You!

I mean, I know that the super hero genre isn't exactly realistic by any means, but I try to keep mine at least a bit more realistic than having the living equivalent of a cartoon duck running around.


As do I.  In our campaign, we recently brought a dog back with the team when they returned from an apocalyptic future.  The player/GM who ran that future apocalypse rolled up stats for the dog (it's really agile and pretty smart) and wanted to actually play it (him) for awhile (as a PC) - Gypsy the Crime Dog!  I encouraged him to reconsider, as having a dog with a cape (not that he would have put a cape on it, but you know what I mean) is starting to go down the road to silliness that is a bit too campy and corny for my tastes (no Krypto the Super Dog in my campaign!)    Grin

Besides (and the line of reasoning I used with him), it would end up being too difficult to never be able to talk (like playing a Wookiee in the Star Wars RPG), he could easily be killed (one bullet, likely), and the novelty would likely wear off pretty quickly.  Plus, the other heroes aren't likely going to just take a dog along when they go on a mission!   Smiley


taking the dog along... on a spaceship, and the dog...uh, has to go for walkies.
(Hold on Gypsy, there's an asteroid up ahead...)
  

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Reply #21 - Sep 27th, 2010 at 9:42pm
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Had a character I got to play once who had a mount... but pets as PCs seems odd...

I'm not bandwagoning when I say that I find Howard the Duck the biggest let down when I was buying The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe original edition... HATE that character, no redeeming value...
Then when the deluxe edition came out, they still put him in... I was in hell, he was like Friday 13th Jason... he just wouldn't die.
  

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Is anyone else tired of all this bickering and infighting about Howard the Duck?  Smiley
  
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No! The bickering and in fighting about Howard the Duck must go on forever!  Grin
It's the start of the Apocalypse man, get used to seeing this war... Howard The Duck is etched into fateful events that are about to occur... I know this for a fact, a one eyed fortune telling woman with a tattoo of a dancing hula girl told me and all I had to do was pay her $20 for this reality altering information... so it must be true!
  

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Ahh!  Howard the Duck!  Brings back memories!

Howard the Duck #13
  

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Gentlemen, now would be a good time for us all to take a big, deep breath. I recommend that no one posts about Howard the Duck for a few days until we get some perspective. I apologize if I'm out of line. I just don't think it's good for the forum, the industry, or the world if squabbling about the Duck continues.  Cheesy
  
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You know you want someone to post stats for 'em!  Wink

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Its written in the signs man, you gotta look at the stars... and trust me, if you drink the moonshine with the apricots in it you will see the celestial bodies shift to form a big long spike that drives itself into Howard the Duck's brain, saving the universe from his evil reign once and for all...
and then come the flying pigs and pink elephants....
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Display Name wrote on Sep 27th, 2010 at 10:49pm:
You know you want someone to post stats for 'em!  Wink

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NO!!!!!
I've already mentioned the fact that Howard does not, and I mean, does not convert to V&V at all on another thread...
  

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I think I've dated myself...  There must be a generation gap here.

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Display Name wrote on Sep 27th, 2010 at 10:57pm:
Who's Howard?Oh yeah!The talking duck at the bottom of the page...Yeah, I guess we could get stats for him, too.

I think I've dated myself...There must be a generation gap here.

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Give me some time to wake up and I'll tell you all about the other wrongs that Howard is responsible for....
(Keep in mind that the Dead Milkmen didn't create a song called Howard Beware without a reason)
  

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I've consulted members of the Illuminati and did some of my own research. This is what I've found.

Not only is Howard The "Duck" (other texts refer to Demon) responsible for single handedly destroying Marvel Comics, he is also responsible for...

1. New Coke
2. The ill fated Billy Idol album Cyberpunk
3. Britney Spears doing the bald thing
4. The tv show Full House
5. The safety hazards of the Pontiac Fiero
6. That really amazingly horrible dining experience I had one time at China Wok
7. My wife threatening to make me dress up like the tv character Maude for Halloween
8. Those crappy, annoying Head On commericals
9. Bristol Palin appearing on Dancing With The Stars
10. Dancing With The Stars itself
11. The short lived "slap bracelet"
12. The assassination of Billy Mays (you just thought it was an overdose)
13. The band S Club 7
14. The discontinuation of those Ocean Spray cranberry hard candies that I bought by the ton in the 90's (I'm still pissed about that)
15. The current ongoing pomegranite fad (there was a time, years ago, that I was considered a weirdo because I would buy and eat this strange looking fruit called a pomegranite that everyone else would refuse to try... cretins)
16. The band Creed- because they annoy me, nevermind I never bother to listen to them or to radio for that matter
17. Those Croc shoes that caused everybody to go out and spend a fortune on different colored pairs of cheaply manufactured, foam rubber shoes
18. 8-Track tapes

If anyone else has come across any evidence of the evils of Howard the Duck, please share....
we need to fight this thing!  Grin
  

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Reply #33 - Sep 28th, 2010 at 9:47am
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I just bought the Howard the Duck Treasury Edition comic featering the Defenders for 12 dollars in near mint condition.



And yet, I have never seen the Howard the Duck Movie.
  

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Okay,
19. Influenced John to spend his hard earned money on Howard the "Duck" (aka Demonic servant of the Elder tentacled masters) merchandise.
  

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