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Sep 18th, 2010 at 7:11am
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Our solar system appears to be under attack!  Can your heroes save the day?
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NASA continues to warn of the potential for a sudden solar flare emanating an Electro Magnetic Pulse (EMP) in the earth’s direction at some point during the coming solar maximum, scheduled to peak in 2012.

A team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) predicts the current solar maximum to be the most intense in at least fifty years and possibly as intense as the 1859 Carrington Event.

As we discussed in June, the impact of a solar storm upon the earth is measured in nano-Teslas or nT. The solar storm that knocked out the Quebec power grid in 1989 measured 589 Nt’s. The 1859 Carrington Event measured 1,760 nT’s.

The scientists at NCAR say they have confidence in the forecast because, in a series of test runs, the newly developed model simulated the strength of the past eight solar cycles with more than 98% accuracy.

The forecasts are generated, in part, by tracking the subsurface movements of the sunspot remnants of the previous two solar cycles.

The NCAR team's computer model, known as the Predictive Flux-transport Dynamo Model, draws on research by NCAR scientists indicating that the evolution of sunspots is caused by a current of plasma, or electrified gas, that circulates between the Sun's equator and its poles over a period of 17 to 22 years.

Think of it like the Gulf Stream currents that regulate the weather on either side of the Atlantic.

I used to go out with a buddy who had a charter fishing boat to fish the blue water of the Gulf Stream. It runs about fifty miles offshore from Cape Lookout, NC.

You can see it before you get there . . . it is a ribbon of deep, Caribbean blue cutting through the sea-green mid Atlantic. In mid-winter when the temperatures on shore are in the thirties and forties, you’re still fishing the Blue Water in temperatures in the 70’s.

This Predictive Flux-transport Dynamo Model current acts like a conveyor belt of sunspots the way the Gulf Stream acts as a conveyor belt of warm water.

According to the current flow, NCAR predicts that Cycle 24 will peak in 2012 with a massive coronal mass ejection that will blast the planet with a massive EMP pulse.

The US Army calculated that it would take an EMP blast level of between 30-80 kV/m to fry the circuits in a vehicle. But in tests using a 2010 Toyota Prius, they began at a minimum level of 5 kV/m. They didn’t need to raise the EMP level any further.

And if they want to raise it any higher, they’re gonna need another Prius.. .

According to various official astrophysics and solar research labs around the world, something very, very strange is going on in our solar system. A partial list includes the following:

    * Recent solar activity highest in 8000 years
    * Sun's magnetic field has decreased in size by 25%
    * 300% increase in galactic dust entering our solar system
    * Mercury’s magnetosphere experiencing significant increases
    * Venus exhibiting a 2500% increase in its “green glow”
    * Mars showing a rapid appearance of clouds and ozone
    * Mars observations reveal up to 50% erosion of its ice features within a 12-month period
    * Jupiter plasma torus increasing; its moon Io exhibiting the same changes
    * A 200% increase in the density of Io's plasma torus
    * Jupiter's Disappearance of White Ovals since 1997 - recent increase in storms
    * Io's ionosphere is 1000% higher
    * Jupiter’s moon Europa much brighter than scientists expected
    * Jupiter’s moon Gannymede is 200% brighter
    * Saturn's plasma torus is 1000% more dense
    * Aurorae first seen in Saturn's polar regions in recent years
    * Uranus was featureless in 1996 - exhibiting huge storms since 1999
    * Uranus in 2004 was also markedly brighter than in 1999
    * Neptune is 40% brighter in the near-infrared range based on observations from 1996 - 2002
    * Pluto observations reveal a 300% increase in atmospheric pressure

I was fascinated to learn the name of the Large Binocular Telescope Near-infrared Utility with Camera and Integral Field Unit for Extragalactic Research located on Mt Graham in Southeast Arizona that's keeping an eye on all this.

What was fascinating to me was not its ponderous and unwieldy name, but the acronym derived from the letters in boldface. They call it Lucifer. Coincidence?

What would happen in the case of another Carrington Event is all speculative since the planet hasn’t been hit full on since becoming wired. But most probably, the side that took the full force of the hit would be instantly plunged into the 19th century.

The rule of thumb would be that if it has wires, it’s broken. The Grid would be cooked. Most cars would stop dead in their tracks. Cellphones and satellites would fry. Forget about computers and the internet.

There would be no food delivery system, no way to deliver clean water, no banks, no ATMs and no money. Cities would become war zones. If you live in a city, your best bet would be to try to get out. But that will be no easy trick without transportation.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 1:23pm
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This is all quite fascinating.   Huh

Maybe the Mayans were right about 2012!!!   Shocked
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Reply #2 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 2:19pm
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Hey!

According to what I've read about the "Mayan 2012 thing", they don't actually predict anything specific to happen.  Approx 12/21/2012 a "cycle" in their calendar resets (kind of like Dec 31st 1999 - Jan 1st 2000 resets the millennium or 2009 - 2010 resets the decade, etc).

In V&V, on the other hand, I'm sure everyone's heroes will be kept extremely busy!

BTW: Did you roleplay the Millennium Bug?

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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2010 at 4:50pm
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Display Name wrote on Sep 18th, 2010 at 2:19pm:
In V&V, on the other hand, I'm sure everyone's heroes will be kept extremely busy!

BTW: Did you roleplay the Millennium Bug?

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We kind of did.  One of our GMs ran an adventure titled (appropriately enough) "Y2K" and the heroes were kept very busy with various emergencies and problems while a simulataneous attack was made on thier headquarters (which at the time was located on an oil derrick).
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 11:02pm
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I'm going to hijack the thread for a second but only slightly as my question/ideal is closely related to "Space Adventures"

Display Name talks about a "natural disaster" while I'm interested in manmade extinction events. I was reading one of Butcher's Dresden Novels a while back and a particular plot device got me thinking recently. Certain powers in the hands of the wrong or right individuals are/can be "planet killers."

Simple one first.
Power: Teleportation
Even with a simple carrying capacity of a few hundred pounds think about the things this could do. I mean what is the maximum falling damage created by dropping the "bad" guy from a few miles up?

A little more complex but possible with a decent astrogation program.
Powers: Flight and Adaptation
You've has enough of Leo's hiding behind diplomatic immunity and U.N. resolution's just aren't cutting it. Couple of weeks of pushing even a tiny asteroid at full flight (with the right computations) and boom no more Presidential Mansion or Palatial Grounds or . . . well you get the ideal.

These are obviously actions our heroes felt pushed into or our villains decided might make for a fun Saturday afternoon. Regardless your only a step or two from Dinosaur time if they want to step it up. Generally speaking I play more of a "boyscout" class character than not, but I could see where these ideals would pop into certain players heads and definitely if they're playing villains Undecided

These are definitely ideals which throw you out of the 4 color comic world, but events that could easily take place with the simplest of characters
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Reply #5 - Sep 25th, 2010 at 9:56am
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Ranger wrote on Sep 24th, 2010 at 11:02pm:
Display Name talks about a "natural disaster" while I'm interested in manmade extinction events.


Do you really mean "extinction" because your examples are for single/localized targets...

A falling object requires 4500" to reach 1000"/turn (free fall in a single gravity).  This is simply 100 + 200 + 300, etc. all the way up to 900.  This is approx 4.26 miles.

Teleporter (from F.O.R.C.E.) can easily reach this height.  Unfortunately, he can only lift 302 lbs and Leo is 350 lbs.  Teleporter is also level 2 to Leo's level 9.  Yeesh...  this is getting outta hand already.

Anyway, let's say Teleporter manages to grab Leo and has the carrying capacity to teleport him up into the sky.  He won't necessarily need to breath because he won't be there long.  The lower air pressure will probably be extremely uncomfortable, but not fatal.  Leo begins free fall and achieves the 1000"/turn max speed upon impact into dirt (it's stereotypical Africa!).  His BH is 7 to dirt's 4, so the ground and Leo split the damage.

1000 * sqrt(7) = 2646

2646 / 2 = 1323

The ground takes 1323 damage, so a crater approx 331 cubic feet (whatever that means) is made.  I would probably leave the description at "a big hole"...

Leo is invulnerable, so:

1323 / 30 = 44

Leo takes 44 points of damage.  He rolls with 12 points (full strength) and takes 32 points to his HP.

Final result: his clothes are ruined and his hair is mussed (and now he's angry).  Oh, and he's "down" to 92 HP...

Assuming Teleporter grabs him and does the same thing again the same thing would happen (falling 4.25 miles takes longer than one turn, so Leo's invulnerability would kick back in).  It would take 6 falls to incapacitate Leo and maybe 7 to kill him: (HP + Power) / 44 dam per fall.

Heck, even a large nuclear bomb would have problems taking out Leo.  In the 2.1 rules it does 20d20, which is more powerful than the 2.0 rules.  With an average roll of 10, this means 200 points of "typical" damage.  Leo almost has that in HPs (not to mention that pesky invulnerability).

The space object against a ground target is a destructive idea, but navigating an object from space to a ground target is where you would have the most trouble.  You'd have to account for the fall itself and then for the aerodynamics of the object and also for the decay of the object from atmospheric burn.  Hmmm...  This would be a job for Dr. Apocalypse.

He would have to find a space object (easy enough since most known space objects have documented location/course/trajectories) and then reroute it on a collision course for Earth.  This would be a lot trickier because moving the object is the problem.

Ok, before we go any further, let's talk about moving a weightless object.  Common sense dictates that this wouldn't be a problem, but unfortunately common sense doesn't have all the information.  Gravity has no affect on mass/inertia.  This means that you'd push yourself away from an object with higher mass.  The bottom line is that it would end up requiring about the same amount of force to move an object that's weightless as opposed to a similar object with weight.  Of course, once you get the object moving it would move forever since gravity wouldn't slow it down.

So anyway, Dr. Porkylips attaches some rocket thrusters to the space object and does his calculations and fires the thrusters.  Weeks (months?) later, the object reaches earth and lands on Leo's house.

Some points to consider:
1) As soon as a documented space object veers off course it will be noticed
2) Even if the space object is undocumented, it will likely (but not necessarily) be noticed as it approaches Earth
3) Leo has a busy schedule and probably won't be home when the object hits
4) The object will likely endanger orbiting satellites, space stations, (fill in the blank)
5) The object may be filled with radioactive material which explodes into dust and spreads for miles after the impact
6) A miscalculation in the trajectory can bring the object down into a city/ocean/whatever (or miss the planet entirely if you want to tease your players)

Just punch the guy, willya?  Smiley
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 25th, 2010 at 2:56pm
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In all my years of doing falling damage, I'd never realized that the ground could take 1/2 the damage (even though it's spelled out in the rules).  Glad you posted this little bit, DN!    Smiley
  
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Well you took what was meant as a morality/scenario question and came up with a neat bit of math.

By the way just how does one "roll with" falling through the atmosphere (and the heat of rentry) and impacting the earth as a free fall humanoid? I mean when the bully slams you into the locker at school you might "share" some of the impact damage but your not rolling with crap Cheesy

I still think with a good astrogation program I could take Leo out in his sleep with the right sized asteroid Tongue
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Sorry, I didn't mean to make it so complicated...

The fall was calculated from 4.26 miles up (the minimum distance required to achieve 1000"/turn after being dropped).  This wouldn't cause "reentry burn".

I made an assumption for "rolling with" the damage.

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No sweat my man and hey if he hit the Appalacians or Alps I suppose there's plenty of slope "to roll" with Wink

I was just curious how others might react to player's characters who had decided to up the ante a notch Cheesy
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 6th, 2010 at 11:11pm
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"Dr. Porkylips???!!"  Shocked
  
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You're right.  It should be "Dr. Porky Lips"!

Check this out (real world stuff here):
http://www.oosa.unvienna.org/
  
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You guys ever notice how anything becomes measurably more impressive when the words, "from space!" are added to it? For example, you could just drop a boulder on Leo's crib, but it's much more impressive to drop a boulder... from space!

By the by, I think that rolling with the punch can be interpreted too literally. You aren't necessarily "rolling with it," so much as doing whatever is necessary to lessen the impact. That may mean going limp, going spread eagle and steering yourself for a haystack, or using the main gun to recoil the tank you are in so that it lands in the only body of water within a hundred miles. Smiley

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Display Name wrote on Sep 25th, 2010 at 9:56am:
Some points to consider:
1) As soon as a documented space object veers off course it will be noticed
2) Even if the space object is undocumented, it will likely (but not necessarily) be noticed as it approaches Earth
3) Leo has a busy schedule and probably won't be home when the object hits
4) The object will likely endanger orbiting satellites, space stations, (fill in the blank)
5) The object may be filled with radioactive material which explodes into dust and spreads for miles after the impact
6) A miscalculation in the trajectory can bring the object down into a city/ocean/whatever (or miss the planet entirely if you want to tease your players)

Just punch the guy, willya?  Smiley

You left out:

7) Maxima flexes for some sick kids in the childrens' ward at St. Joseph and the Earth shifts slightly on its axis
8) Superman is in the process of turning the Earth back to rewind time and save Lois Lane
9) Leo sees the attack coming and decides to punch the object back into orbit
10) The GM has been looking for an excuse to start a post-apocalyptic campaign
11) You forgot to allow for the rotation of the Earth and instead of targeting Leo's pad, you end up targeting Des Moines (or New York, or London, or your own headquarters)
12) Q has chosen today to demonstrate his ability to "alter the gravitational constant of the universe"
13) You underestimate your own strength and suddenly, a new island appears in the Pacific Ocean
14) You realize, too late, that you have caused the very disaster that you came back in time to prevent
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Cat Lord wrote on Oct 11th, 2010 at 3:31pm:
By the by, I think that rolling with the punch can be interpreted too literally. You aren't necessarily "rolling with it," so much as doing whatever is necessary to lessen the impact. That may mean going limp, going spread eagle and steering yourself for a haystack, or using the main gun to recoil the tank you are in so that it lands in the only body of water within a hundred miles. Smiley 


I wholeheartedly agree, and I've always viewed "rolling with it" to be exactly as you describe.  After all, an otherwise "normal" guy who has an Intelligence of 25 can 'roll with' WAY more than another average fellow, so using one's Intelligence also factors into the equation.
  
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Majestic wrote on Oct 11th, 2010 at 5:26pm:
Cat Lord wrote on Oct 11th, 2010 at 3:31pm:
By the by, I think that rolling with the punch can be interpreted too literally. You aren't necessarily "rolling with it," so much as doing whatever is necessary to lessen the impact. That may mean going limp, going spread eagle and steering yourself for a haystack, or using the main gun to recoil the tank you are in so that it lands in the only body of water within a hundred miles. Smiley 


I wholeheartedly agree, and I've always viewed "rolling with it" to be exactly as you describe.  After all, an otherwise "normal" guy who has an Intelligence of 25 can 'roll with' WAY more than another average fellow, so using one's Intelligence also factors into the equation.



Exactly, yet a punch in the face or a nuclear explosion don't care how likeable you are, so Charisma has no effect.  Smiley
  
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