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Aug 6th, 2012 at 7:36am
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Okay, what do you'se guys wanna know about Department-88?
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What kind of panties do the female agents wear?
  
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Who do they answer to in the Japanese governmental structure? Smiley
  

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1) How are their agents recruited?

2) What type of training do they receive?

3) How do they get along with similar organizations?
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 1:43pm
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What tech level do they operate at and do they incorporate metas or more of a super-spy set up?
  

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Reply #5 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 2:21pm
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Ooohhhh... Yeah. Good questions:

Of course, I'm not just gonna tell you guys, I am in the process of creating a Dept-88 resource book. I think AK has read some of it already.

Display Name: "clean"

AK: That is being incorporated into the next revision of the draft (nice one!)

DSUMNER: 1) check, 2) I'll have to do some more research on that, 3) check (since the only other "similar organization" I can use is C.H.E.S.S. (and maybe Galactic Police).


Ranger: I got ya covered!

Keep the questions coming!
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how well prepared are they for attacks from Barugon, Guiron, Zigra, or Gaos?
  
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Bill Kropp wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 4:29pm:
how well prepared are they for attacks from Barugon, Guiron, Zigra, or Gaos?


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1) What type of standard equipment do the regular field agents carry?

2) How do they interact with the Self Defense Forces?

3) Do they make use of any agents with super powers, namely ones that you see in anime like psychics, witch/demon hunters, etc?

4) How aware is the public of their activities?
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 10:31pm
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What are the "levels" for the agents?  Something like "pawns", "Knights", etc.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 6th, 2012 at 11:29pm
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Display Name wrote on Aug 6th, 2012 at 10:31pm:
What are the "levels" for the agents?  Something like "pawns", "Knights", etc.


FYI, That info is actually in Great Bridge.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 7th, 2012 at 12:23am
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It's like you guys are speaking a different language!

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Mr. Kroop: That is more of a "G" force issue (know thy Daikaiju) Also good to see another Gamera fan Smiley

Dsumner: 1) check, 2) working on that, 3) check, 4) check

Display Name: AK is correct, I did touch on that in Great Bridge, but the upcoming book has more in-depth descriptions for these ranks.

Paul:
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All very good questions. If I have just said "check" or "Gotcha covered", I already had that information in the book, which surprises no one more than myself. Looks like the text for this one will be ready long before Yad has the art finished up for Great Bridge 2.

Thank-you all for your assistance, and keep asking questions!


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Reply #14 - Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:28am
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One more thing I'd like to see is a list their major "field offices" and where their training center is located.
  

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dsumner wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:28am:
One more thing I'd like to see is a list their major "field offices" and where their training center is located.



Got that covered - just working with Yad (a.k.a "Kanonfodder") on the graphic.
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dsumner wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:28am:
One more thing I'd like to see is a list their major "field offices" and where their training center is located.


Be sure to list where the spare panties are kept, too!   Cheesy
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 10th, 2012 at 12:24pm
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Display Name wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 8:58am:
dsumner wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:28am:
One more thing I'd like to see is a list their major "field offices" and where their training center is located.


Be sure to list where the spare panties are kept, too!   Cheesy



Wherever you would like to keep them...

Beyond that it looks as if I have the listed concerns covered, and then some.

Kanonfodder is about 1/4 of the way through the art for Great Bridge 2, when he finishes that, he'll probably take a few days off and get into "The Department" (working title).
  

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Reply #18 - Aug 22nd, 2012 at 10:57pm
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Ok! My wish list, which may duplicate items already mentioned:

Organizational structure with statted npc's. Equipment, safe houses, installations, vehicles, the usual goodly stuff.

Interaction with local heroes, recruitment? registration? suppression? surveillance? oversight?

Interaction with visiting heroes--jurisdiction, regulation, do they assign a liaison with visiting groups or individuals (the wise-cracking from the sidelines field supervisor or romantic foil anime archetype comes to mind)

Where do they keep captured supervillains? Where would a hero who crossed the line wind up and how would he be treated?

Famous historical cases, incidents, major battles that shaped policy.

Ongoing situations/investigations that visiting heroes might get caught up in.

Does 88 represent the government exactly, or does it act as an intermediary between the super community and the nonpowered authorities?

How does it deal with aliens or transdimensionals? Or is that a separate organization's portfolio?

Seriously, Kaiju. Where does 88 stand on the gigantic monster issue--or how does it deal with the inevitable evil organizations that try to manipulate or use kaiju as weapons?

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Ironnerd wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 12:24pm:
Display Name wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 8:58am:
dsumner wrote on Aug 8th, 2012 at 1:28am:
One more thing I'd like to see is a list their major "field offices" and where their training center is located.


Be sure to list where the spare panties are kept, too!   Cheesy



Wherever you would like to keep them...

Beyond that it looks as if I have the listed concerns covered, and then some.

Kanonfodder is about 1/4 of the way through the art for Great Bridge 2, when he finishes that, he'll probably take a few days off and get into "The Department" (working title).


GREAT BRIDGE 2!!  W000000T!
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I might be...interested...in such a thing. A bit.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 5th, 2012 at 9:27pm
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SheliakBob wrote on Aug 22nd, 2012 at 10:57pm:
Ok! My wish list, which may duplicate items already mentioned:

Organizational structure with statted npc's. Equipment, safe houses, installations, vehicles, the usual goodly stuff.

Interaction with local heroes, recruitment? registration? suppression? surveillance? oversight?

Interaction with visiting heroes--jurisdiction, regulation, do they assign a liaison with visiting groups or individuals (the wise-cracking from the sidelines field supervisor or romantic foil anime archetype comes to mind)

Where do they keep captured supervillains? Where would a hero who crossed the line wind up and how would he be treated?

Famous historical cases, incidents, major battles that shaped policy.

Ongoing situations/investigations that visiting heroes might get caught up in.

Does 88 represent the government exactly, or does it act as an intermediary between the super community and the nonpowered authorities?

How does it deal with aliens or transdimensionals? Or is that a separate organization's portfolio?

Seriously, Kaiju. Where does 88 stand on the gigantic monster issue--or how does it deal with the inevitable evil organizations that try to manipulate or use kaiju as weapons?

um.
Do those panties explode? Cause I have experiences with Panty Explosions. Scars that will never heal. don't want to talk about it. but the mind, it does inquire... Wink



You have experience with panty explosions... this is my fan-base ... I love this gig!

WHOA! you did bring up a couple of items I didn't think of. HOORAY! I get to write more about DEPT 88!  Cheesy

Thanks! I really did have most of your questions covered. Kaiju has come once or twice in this thread, and Yad and I already have an idea for a Kaiju adventure (later... I gotta get this dang Space Cop thing hammered out - seemed so easy a month ago... and I still owe Scott some Steam Punk, if there is any interest Roll Eyes ).

Of course I'm not gonna spoil the book here. I won't even answer PM's on it until it is released (well, maybe if you know the Ren an Stimpy oath).

Looks like Yad is about 40 or 50% finished with Great Bridge II. Once that is done I am SURE he'll jump into "The Department"

Later!

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Reply #21 - Sep 5th, 2012 at 9:59pm
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Will you include more than just Japan?  I think this has been asked before.  I don't know exactly what I'm asking, but if you could include information about more countries in that region it would be neat.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:49am
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Display Name wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 9:59pm:
Will you include more than just Japan?  I think this has been asked before.  I don't know exactly what I'm asking, but if you could include information about more countries in that region it would be neat.


I understand where you guys are coming from with this question, but I want you to ponder this - where are the foreign offices for C.H.E.S.S. (et al)? Who does C.H.E.S.S. work for? How do they treat Vigilantes from other nations/galaxies/dimensions? I completely understand you guys wanting "MORE", but I can't give you everything - that would result in a HUGE book. Keep in mind that "The Department" is basically the first source-book on Department 88. Some of the information you seek will show up in "Great Bridge" books, and some will appear in adventures taking place over-seas.

These questions have been answered at least in some part in "The Department". So far the only items I have missed are interactions with visiting Vigilantes (which is touched upon in "The Centerville Incident", but only a little), and famous historical cases. I will write more on the Gaijin-Hero aspect, since that is very pertinent to a bunch of Americans pondering an RPG trip to Japan. Famous cases may have to wait for book 2 (if there is such a thing - to be honest, I'm a little shocked that I was asked to do a second "Great Bridge").

As for the department's roll outside of Japan, an excellent example would be the Japanese Military's roll beyond the home islands.

As for "Other Countries in the Region", that includes a LOT of territory. China, N. Korea, S. Korea, The Philippines, Micronesia, Taiwan, Russia, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Singapore, and Malaysia - just to name a few. Every one of these places has a distinct culture and all view "Heroes" differently. That's a far larger scope than was intended for this book.

As for Daikaiju, that would be beyond the scope of Department-88's mission - not to say they would not help out. If you guys REALLY want, I'll do a Daikaiju with an appropriate Daikaiju Defence Force and super-heroic involvement. I'm pretty sure that the rules would support this - I just have to extend the "Size Change" chart.
  

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Ironnerd wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:49am:
As for "Other Countries in the Region", that includes a LOT of territory. China, N. Korea, S. Korea, The Philippines, Micronesia, Taiwan, Russia, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Singapore, and Malaysia - just to name a few. Every one of these places has a distinct culture and all view "Heroes" differently. That's a far larger scope than was intended for this book.

Well... I think what is being suggested to you Yps is really based on the role that you have introduced 88 as having. CHESS originates in the US in most campaigns, but if I'm writing a CHESS sourcebook (I'm not) about CHESS as a US based agency, then I'm probably going to mention a few threats just outside the borders and other areas of influence in my hemisphere simply because they are the type of agency that warrants this type of portrayal.
You are setting up a book with a strong title (The Department) and modeling the agency on CHESS. But then we seem to be discounting that an agency of the magnitude of 88 (CHESS?) doesn't worry about things 'off the islands' (or that concerns from these areas aren't important enough to make it into the book about what the agency worries about).
I understand not wanting to spend as much time/devote as much space in the book in other non-Japanese areas (especially Russia, India, or other Asian areas more closely dealt with by European powers), but the places you just mentioned *would* in fact be reported on and concerned with by an agency the size that you are building 88 to be. In fact, I would say that most of the places you listed (except China and Russia) would want to defer to 88's judgment and thus be supplying them with info on threats in their areas and praying for help much in the way I could see Cubans, Mexicans, and Hondurans relying on a western hemisphere CHESS.
Just saying.
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Reply #24 - Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:59pm
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AK, you have access to the posted draft of "The Department", you can read the contents for yourself - as I have mentioned, most of the requests are already covered. If you feel I have neglected anything, you may let me know via e-mail. An open forum is not the place for such discussions (read: "No Spoilers, please").

I have never read anything about how CHESS works with FISH or any other American alphabet organization. Nor have I seen how CHESS or FISH works with the General Assembly for Meta human Affairs in Jamaica (I tried for GAMJA, didn't quite make it).

We do know that CHESS and Dept-88 at least exchange information and have a "Hero Exchange" program (see Great Bridge). Also if I start writing about a CHESS-like agency in Korea (Janggi), then I am effectively blocking anyone else from doing the same, because I "own" Janggi.

As for "giving Japan a prominent status as a superpower that rivals the US or any of the European or MiddleEastern powers." you may be missing my point somewhat. Japan is a superpower - in comics and animation. It would seem myopic (and frankly insulting) to not include Japan as a major player in the meta-human genre, since they have had such an influence on the comic books we read today, and Anime and Manga have such a large and enthusiastic following here in the U.S.

Relating to Department-88's involvement with other countries, it is addressed in the book. The model for their foreign involvement is fairly close to that of the Japanese Military, as it seemed fitting for the culture (that's pretty much as close to a spoiler as you'll get from me).

Perhaps some background is in order...

I approached FGU with the idea for Great Bridge because I wanted to contribute to my favorite game system. I chose Japanese villains because 1) I like manga and anime, 2) I felt that American-based villains were being pretty well covered, and 3) Japan has had a large influence on American comic books since they started arriving here in the 1980's. Once the idea was accepted, I had to tie to the existing V&V universe, my vehicle for that was a C.H.E.S.S.-like organization working in Japan, ie Department-88 (the name was partially inspired by "Area 88", and excellent manga and anime).  When I was then asked to write an adventure, it seemed to make sense to tie the two universes (C.H.E.S.S. universe and Department-88 universe) together while writing a fun adventure - and being able to have the final battle on Mt. Fuji was total gravy. That's how I got to where I am today, writing two books I never imagined I would be writing; Great Bridge II, and a The Department. Don't misunderstand, I am totally loving this opportunity to work on V&V - it's a real blast (frustrating at times, but always worth while and freaky rewarding).

Stick with me a bit longer, I'm pretty sure ya'll will like what I have made.
  

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Ironnerd wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 3:59pm:
Stick with me a bit longer, I'm pretty sure ya'll will like what I have made.

Oh, I have no problem with liking what's in the bag. And I wouldn't want to give spoilers. I may sound like I'm not saying what I'm trying to say:
I think what the expectation to others is about 88 is that its enough like CHESS to where those other geographical nearby areas could have baddies and threats that make it into a book about the Agency, that's all. To keep it centric on only the islands isn't about trying to change the tone of the book, just to show they (88) have a real need to have as big of a reach. Else what's a heaven for?
  

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Well okay then.

I have a few points to add to the draft anyway, I'll re-visit the "Reach" of the department. But keep in mind, CHESS has a very long reach, and would certainly overlap (if not eclipse) the much smaller organization (Dept-88). Little on the reach of CHESS has been put down on official paper, so I have to restrain myself a little in this regard, as I would not want a small organization from a small island-nation to outshine the much larger and far more familiar agency from a Superpower.

As I mentioned in another thread, I would LOVE to bring CHESS up to date, but that is simply not in the cards right now. I doubt Mr. Dee or Mr. Herman would find that terribly flattering or even amusing. And if MHG put out a "Department 88" book, I might not be terribly happy.

It is a side-effect of having each creator own his/her work. While it allows us a great deal of freedom to CREATE, it limits our ability to integrate.
  

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Ironnerd wrote on Sep 6th, 2012 at 10:49am:
As for "Other Countries in the Region", that includes a LOT of territory. China, N. Korea, S. Korea, The Philippines, Micronesia, Taiwan, Russia, Vietnam, Burma, Cambodia, Laos, Singapore, and Malaysia - just to name a few. Every one of these places has a distinct culture and all view "Heroes" differently. That's a far larger scope than was intended for this book.


Well that's cool.  We look forward to you getting "shocked" again with another sourcebook project!

Do you have a tentative release date for it, yet?
  
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Display Name: Art-Boy Yad is still working on the art for Great Bridge II, so at this point I do not have a release date for "The Department".

All of you'se guys understand something - Dept-88 isn't CHESS. I know that you all want a big fat CHESS book (I know I do), but the reality is that an FGU CHESS book is not likely.

To me, one of the things that makes darn good fiction is some tie to the real world. With that in mind, part of the concept for Dept 88 is that of the Japanese Military (the Self Defense Forces) who do not get deployed to other nations (with the exception of the second war in Iraq). The JSDF DOES monitor pretty much everyone in the area, as does Department 88. They keep an eye towards foreign entities which may threaten the homeland, and pass that information through proper channels to other governments. Remember also that their involvement in places like the Philippines, Korea, and China would be "complicated" by the history that Japan has with these nations (see WWII history: "The Rape of Nanking" and "Flyboys" among others).  The existing draft touches on this, but I do need to clarify that section somewhat. After all, how do you discuss threats to Asia without mention Kim Jong-Un's army of genetically altered atomic rocket men?

Rest assured, however; within Japan, the agents of Department-88 do go totally Meiji-era on the bad guys.

This thread has caused me to ponder a Korean-themed book. It would be difficult, as I understand my own limitations and am concerned that it might be a clone of my Department 88 work. If I can create something different enough I'll give it a treatment, but I do not want to put out a bad product just to make you guys happy - I want to put out a really cool product to make you very happy. The fact that you'se guys want "MORE" is probably a good sign.
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Re: Department-88
Reply #29 - Sep 7th, 2012 at 8:17am
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Ironnerd wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:52am:
This thread has caused me to ponder a Korean-themed book. It would be difficult, as I understand my own limitations and am concerned that it might be a clone of my Department 88 work. If I can create something different enough I'll give it a treatment, but I do not want to put out a bad product just to make you guys happy - I want to put out a really cool product to make you very happy. The fact that you'se guys want "MORE" is probably a good sign.[/font]


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Re: Department-88
Reply #30 - Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:43pm
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Hey YJ:

You probably know I'm working on WWII books right now including Japanese Super Soldiers. I'm wondering if maybe we shouldn't be talking a little about the characters I'm building, and what areas you want me too reference or avoid. After all, we're working simultaneously so we have an opportunity to build some pretty tight integration if we work at it.

Just extending the invitation.

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Reply #31 - Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:54pm
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I'm not sure about the rest of you guys, but I'd love to see some sort of Super Agency book, detailing some of the various agencies who deal with supers across the globe.
  

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Re: Department-88
Reply #32 - Sep 7th, 2012 at 7:17pm
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dsumner wrote on Sep 7th, 2012 at 6:54pm:
I'm not sure about the rest of you guys, but I'd love to see some sort of Super Agency book, detailing some of the various agencies who deal with supers across the globe.


I actually mentioned this really extremely recently to some colleagues.....
  

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Reply #33 - Jul 23rd, 2016 at 8:16am
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It would be an excellent idea, and a valuable resource for gamers. It would also help pull together a semi-cohesive game universe.

It would also be a difficult and rewarding project for the creators involved. Be warned... there will be arguments (even if I'm not involved).
  

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