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Throw it! How fast can I throw this truck?
Apr 15th, 2016 at 3:05pm
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My carrying capacity is 30000.
This truck weighs 5000 pounds.

How FAST can I throw it? 

Is it (30000-5000)/10" like magnetics?  2500" per turn?
Is it (30000-5000)/100" like jumping?  250" per turn?

I can't find a direct rules passage. 
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2016 at 6:19pm
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Hi Phrennzy,

What is it you are looking for?

Initial movement of the truck to see if you can catch up to something, like you have to throw a snowball faster than a moving car to hit it from behind?

Velocity to see to high up it will go (or far for that matter)?

A really cool way to jump start a manual transmission?

It's a very interesting question that I have never considered.
  
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Re: Throw it! How fast can I throw this truck?
Reply #2 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 6:20am
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The rule you're looking for is in 8.4 (Throwing).  So:

30,000
- 5,000
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25,000 / 10

2,500" (or about 2.4 miles)

Note that the number above (2,500") is just the distance it can be thrown, not the actual velocity.

Most targets are way under that (it's unlikely one could even see a target over two miles away), so for the most part you'll simply look on the Projectile Velocity chart (3.3) and go with the velocity there (based on how far it traveled that turn).  If the target was, say, 100" away, you'd add 1d8 damage.  It also seems to suggest that the maximum velocity anything could reach would be 1,000" per turn (for an extra 4d10).



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Reply #3 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 1:46pm
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You're close to how I read the rule, Majestic.

Throwing Rules
The maximum distance a character can throw any object equals his Carrying Capacity minus the weight of the projectile divided by 10 inches. For projectiles, actual velocity takes precedence over range, If damage to the projectile itself needs to be calculated, it can be resolved as per Falling (8.2) with the projectile's velocity per turn equaling the distance it was thrown.

It's not super-well stated, but the SPEED of a thrown object is equal to the distance (to a maximum of 1,000 in/turn). In Phrennzy's example, the truck would be thrown at 1,000" per turn, and would be in the air for three turns (1,000" in each of the first two turns, and 500" in the third turn). In each turn the 5,000 lb truck would inflict 2d8+4d10 damage upon any Player-Heroes or NPCs it happens to impact. Which is not bad for an object flying at Mach 6ish.

But the farthest the character could accurately throw the truck is Agility x 9", so in order to actually hit something 1,000" away, the player-hero wound need an agility of [fingers...toes...] 111 - which is possible in V&V, but not probable.

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Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:30pm
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Ironnerd, I agree that it's not very well stated.  It's all a little wonky, methinks.

I considered that part you underlined, but then it does say that it is used for "damage to the projectile".  So I figure the only times you'd need that would be figuring out how much damage Wolverine takes if he and Colossus are doing the "Fastball Special".

Using a more "realistic" range (one that an ordinary character could throw said truck, because as Ironnerd pointed out, no character is going to have the Agility to throw it 2+ miles), it might be thrown around 100" (that's probably farther than I've ever seen in my games).

With such a range, and assuming that one as a GM would rule that it is reasonable that the thrown truck would reach "maximum velocity" soon after being thrown, it would reach a rate/speed of 1,000" per turn.

So, after considering what Ironnerd said, I'd agree that you'd end up with a total of 2d8 (the weight of the truck from the Brawling Weapon table) +4d10 (velocity of 1,000").

  
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Reply #5 - Apr 17th, 2016 at 2:57pm
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That's the biggest issue I have with this wonderful old game. If I picked it up today and tried to play it, I would probably no have a lot of fun. Although almost everything you want to do is in there,a lot of it is buried. Some of it is buried under six feet of reinforced concrete. If you have been mucking about in these rules for a few years, you start to see the hidden magic, but it takes a while to reach that point, and most modern players lack that kind of patience.
  

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Reply #6 - Apr 17th, 2016 at 5:18pm
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If I'm throwing the truck at a villain who is standing 20" away, are we saying the truck speed can only reach 20" velocity?

I mean, I can throw a baseball faster than 20" at someone 100' away. 

If the hulk throws a truck, it's going to go pretty fast, even if you're only 100' away.

  
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Reply #7 - Apr 17th, 2016 at 6:15pm
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I think by a strict reading of the rules, it would only travel the 20".  But like you say (and I was going to use the analogy of a baseball as well), the actual speed should be much higher than that.

I think giving it maximum velocity, considering the thrower, makes the most comic book/superhero sense.

But it's really the call of each GM, I suppose.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 6:23pm
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Any thrown object stops accelerating as soon as it leaves one's hand.

In Phrennzy's example, the truck would fly at 1,000 in/turn (or 227 mph) no matter how far away the target actually was (up to 2,500" of course).
  

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Reply #9 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 7:05pm
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Ironnerd wrote on Apr 22nd, 2016 at 6:23pm:
Any thrown object stops accelerating as soon as it leaves one's hand.

In Phrennzy's example, the truck would fly at 1,000 in/turn (or 227 mph) no matter how far away the target actually was (up to 2,500" of course).


Hmm.  That might make it easier.  If maximum velocity per turn is 1000". 

Just nailing down the speed at which it can be thrown, which seems to be (CC-Weight)/10"
  
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Reply #10 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 7:10pm
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Holy shit though, the rules state that damage to the projectile is figured as per falling.

Inches per turn times the square root of the objects basic hits.

So if the hulk picks me up and throws me 1000" per turn, I'll take 2000 points of damage when I hit the wall.  That's excessive to say the least, especially when the wall only takes 1d4+4d10. 

I am not using the falling rules for object damage.  That's obscene.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 22nd, 2016 at 8:59pm
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Yup.

Leave hulk ALONE.

  

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Reply #12 - Apr 23rd, 2016 at 9:40am
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Just a thought... wouldn't the projectile and whatever it hits split the damage?
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 23rd, 2016 at 10:20am
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I use the distance traveled as the speed.  So if you through a ten pound object and have a 1000 CC it goes like this.

1000-10=990   990/10= 99.   99 is the distance and the speed.  I add the weight and the velocity and that gives me the dice to roll.

Both the target and the object thrown take the same damage.  It works well and I am not changing it.
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 23rd, 2016 at 5:00pm
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And that seems totally right to me as well.

So... even though I love what's in Revised edition, I allow for the fact that most of the information in the back of the book seems to have been hastily written... Just look at Saving Throws.
  

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Reply #15 - Apr 23rd, 2016 at 5:50pm
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Yeah, the art and writing really sucks in every Monkeyhouse product so far.
  

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Reply #16 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 12:24pm
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Ironnerd wrote on Apr 23rd, 2016 at 5:00pm:
So... even though I love what's in Revised edition, I allow for the fact that most of the information in the back of the book seems to have been hastily written... Just look at Saving Throws.


So what do you not like in Saving Throws?  Or do you just think it's too short?

I think that part if brilliant (we were just talking recently how strange it is that 5E D&D doesn't have an auto succeed if you save with a 20, or an auto failure with a 1).
  
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Re: Throw it! How fast can I throw this truck?
Reply #17 - Apr 25th, 2016 at 2:17pm
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Again it is something implied, but never spelled out. The RAW is good and accurate, but they never went into detail on how to modify a save. WHY the save is sometimes on 1d20 as opposed to 1d100. If you read every adventure and supplement you see the pattern, but if you just read the rules (even with the sample adventures) it's very easy to miss.

I actually love the 5% auto-fails and 5% chance for the impossible to happen - that adds story, and story is fun.
  

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