I have my own ideas, but I'm interested in hearing which of the five SEAIC attributes others think is LEAST important in V&V.

Which ability come up the least, or is the most forgettable, or has the least impact in the game?

I know this is going to be odd, but I would say Strength is the least important.  Unless you are super strong, like say 30 or 40 and above, then strength doesn't really do much for you in my game. 
  Sure, it gives you hth, but without a high aglity your base 5 to hit, and with so many defences that are just so good against HTH, your mighty punch missing more often than not is not a great deal of help.
   Even  Paulie's fabled Magnun character, with his 6d10 punch only became superbad ass because I stupidly let him drop three other powers and have FOUR doses of heightened expertise.  That means he had a +16 to hit with his punch!
   He had a lousy aglity and so if i was on the ball, the legendary Magnum, who crushed every opponent with ease, would have been the strongest  guy to swing and miss 80% of the time.
   
    The newest characters in my game all seem to put Intellegence as their highest rolled stat, with aglity second.  They love the detection that intellegence gives them. What good is being able to beat up your opponent when you are too stupid to find out the clues so you cand find them?  And what they really desire are all those juicy inventing points!   They have become what magic items were for D&D.   
    Sure, Strength gives you carrying capacity and hit points, but Endurance gives you more hits, and Aglity gives you hits AND intitiative AND accuracy ( what good is throwing 20 missed super strong punches?) AND damage modifiers!    Go first and  hit better.  A few hits for less damage is better than not hitting for a lot!
     Even the dump stat of Charisma is given more respect by my players when they role up their characters.    Who doesn't want their commands obeyed right away.   How many times has the hero yelled to the crowd, " Disperse, citizens, there is nothing to see here!" and actually have them listen?
   Or getting information from contacts?   Or intimidate the quivering henchman?   Charisma also fuels the house rule for karma in my game.  So having a high charisma is very helpful.    I think more players have trained in charisma in my game, then have trained in strength.
    So unless you are playing the super strong guy,  strenght seems to be the dump stat in my game.

    Hell, my own, very first player character that I have made in years, Silent Fury's strenght is low.   He is a hand to hand fighter too.   What is the difference between a 1d6 with a good damage modifer and a 1d8 with out one?    I would rather hit more often with a 1d6 and some extra points for speed and accuracy, then miss more often with an unmodified 1d8.


Edit- I see someone else has put Strength.   Can I ask who voted with me, and why?

I think, with the flexibility of Charisma, especially in regards to the more static nature of other stats, that Charisma is the least important.  I'm defining this from a starting character with nothing rolled yet.

With the rules as written, there are obvious builds that would take better advantage of a high charisma, but most do not need it.  And with the ability to donate $ to charity or whatnot and gain CHA, it becomes a low value stat.

I voted for Strength because the key in V&V for making super powerful HtH fighters is either Weight or Agility.

Loading up on Agility get extra damage modifiers

Loading up on Weight maximizes Carry Cap the most.  That is why Androids/Robots are so prevalent in the game.

Hammer wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 7:58am:


You're not doing anything wrong, Hammer.  All of those factors are true.

The Cougar wrote on May 27^th, 2010 at 7:28am:


Yes and it was obvious they (or at least Bill Willingham) knew that right from the start.

1) There is no way that Behemoth should weigh only 299 pounds. With the size he is in pictures, he should be called the Stay-Puft Behemoth.

2) The androids in Doctor Apocalypse specifically state they use a much lower CC (1/3, 1/4 I can't remember) specifically to counter the weight issue.

I modified weight's effect on CC, but then gave a Str bonus based on wgt (1/2 of the Agility penalty) to help move it back into line.