I have come to the conclusion that Size Change (larger) can be pretty whoppingly overpowered, ESPECIALLY if the player also rolls Heightened Strength and/or Agility, Natural Weaponry, and Heightened Expertise. A substantially Heightened Agility can effectively negate the Agility penalty for increased weight and Heightened Strength can put the carrying capacity/base HTH off the charts.

So I have been thinking about this somewhat extensively for a few days (off and on) and here is something I came up with to balance Size Change (Larger):

The height and weight of the person change as noted in the rulebook. They do NOT take an Agility penalty for the increased weight (likewise smaller people do not take a bonus for decreased weight). Hit Points are calculated as for the regular height then multiplied by the Height Factor. Carrying Capacity (and HTH damage) is calculated as follows: Height Factor x Normal CC + ((Height Factor -1) x 1000). The person receives Invulnerability per ATTACK equal to the Height Factor – 1 rounded up (to reflect proportional increases in thickness of skin, muscle, bone, and other tissue).

Here is an example of how it would look:

Base Stats: Str 15, End 15, Int 12, Agi 12, Weight 180, Height 6 ft (HPM 3.8)

Normal Size: CC 439 lbs, HTH 1d6, HP 16

1.5 Size: CC 1159 lbs, HTH 1d10, HP 24, Invulerability per Attack 1, (wt. 612) 9 ft

2x Size: CC 1878 lbs, HTH 1d10, HP 32, Invulnerability per Attack 1, (wt. 1440) 12 ft

3x Size: CC 3316 lbs, HTH 1d12, HP 48, Invulnerability per Attack 2, (wt. 4860) 18 ft

4x Size: CC 4756 lbs, HTH 2d8, HP 64, Invulnerability per Attack 3, (wt. 11520) 24 ft

5x Size: CC 6195 lbs, HTH 2d8, HP 80, Invulnerability per Attack 4, (wt. 22500) 30 ft

6x Size: CC 7684 lbs, HTH 2d10, HP 96, Invulnerability per Attack 5, (wt. 38880) 36 ft

7x Size: CC 9073 lbs, HTH 2d10, HP 112, Invulnerability per Attack 6, (wt. 61740) 42 ft

I felt this was a good compromise to still allow for those with Size Change (Larger) to benefit from it but not to the ludicrous levels of HP from how it is as written. Likewise it counters the penalty to Agility that is the bane of some of the larger/heavier types.

Aside from the penis enlarging concerns, anyone else interested in putting forth an opinion/critique on my adjustments to Size Change (Larger)?

One big reason for the change for me was because I thought it was a bit ridiculous for someone to be able to take 3 large nukes simultaneously and still live to tell about it. (One character would have had 1300+ hit points. Each large nuke does 20d20 so a max of 1200 damage. Yes, the character would be unconscious by RAW but still alive. I know there is a lot of suspension of belief in supers but that was just too much)

another agility mod variation would be not to alter the agility stat, but to make the resulting Agility Mod from new wt a penalty to initiative when grown and a bonus to be hit due to bigness.

true... but at that size, how often is he going to have 1)room to fight at full size without destroying all nearby property and 2) something that can support his mass to stand on?

That's a good general rule of thumb for the GM to have.

id guess a combination of 1) more gamers started through warhammer and even more so ccgs 2) the competitive rather than cooperative spirit of the above and 3) online gaming means if you piss everyone off, you can still game online

true. now you just have to make sure every adventure you run can handle a 50 foot tall hero whose weight alone can sink a battleship... stats aside, it may be more hassle than u want to wrestle with.

as long as he isnt near a sewer or going anywhere w subways or basements

I'm in agreement with Bill.  It's a case-by-case basis and the rules even talk about modifying powers and characters through discussion between player and GM.  It's cool that you have a formula that works for your game.  House rules make the world go round!

AlabasterKnight wrote on Aug 13^th, 2012 at 3:29pm:


I kind of look at part of the lost carrying capacity as being used to counter the dramatically increased weight of the character. I think it also balances out with the invulnerability per attack not to mention the fact that someone at a higher size can punch someone further away than the adjacent 5 foot area. At 42 feet tall being able to punch someone 15-20 feet away from you is pretty badass nevermind picking up a car and swatting someone with it for that extra damage.

No 42' tall perfon could lift my X....  she's just tooooo heavy 

xhaosdaemon wrote on Aug 21^st, 2012 at 8:37pm:

Maybe they do lift 1.5 times as much, maybe not.
I think that the strength/carry boost should still be based on weight, but maybe the problem is inherently there because of the weight increase begin ascension of cubes?
Also, a GM who gives/allows a character Heightened characteristics for Strength or Endurance is asking for trouble if the character already 'grows'; growth is supposed to be what gives the character those advantages.
Let me crunch a little and help figure this out.

I've always balanced by letting it shine at times, and make it so it was not usable at times.  Big battle downtown, ok.  Big battle in the secret base, probably not (unless in a hangar).