I was thinking about almost this exact scenario the other day!?

The character in my scenario had flight/super strength/Magnetic Powers.  His super strength wasn't enough by itself, and neither was the Magnetic Powers.  But together they could work.

Also consider that the plane is only designed to withstand support from the wheels.  This means if the player attempts to catch it like Superman usually does it might damage the plane.

My conclusion was that the Magnetic Powers could support the front wheels while the player supports the back wheel.  Otherwise it could take up to three players/characters to pull this off.

As a side note, I've asked about carrying capacity vs flight before and I think the general answer was: percentage of carrying capacity was the percentage of movement rate lost of flight.

In Secret Wars 1 (issue #2) Magneto captured the Wasp by encasing her in scrap metal.  I'm not sure how much this weighed, but I assume it was greater than his normal carrying capacity.

It affected his movement rate (but this might be due to him splitting his magnetic powers between movement and carrying the metal).

What would happen if the flying character failed the Agility roll?

Thanks, Paul.  Your idea will also mesh with the example I used above with Magneto because it can be assumed that his magnetic powers were split between flying and carrying the scrap metal.

That is different compared to my example. The specifics around magnetics is that it has it's own cc and doesnt combine with the players cc.  Your example has Ben holding the plane with his own cc (not magnetics) so I would agree with your assessment.

To take it a step further, let's assume the plane's weight was 5000 pounds and the characters cc on magnetics was 4000 pounds.  In order to full stop the plane, the characters HTH would have to make up for the 1000 pounds, but he would only be "lifting" 1000 pounds and not the full 5000.

Honestly this is one thing I do enjoy about the game, the creativity around how to use the powers and how GM's can decide how it works.  Honestly even though I feel confident about my answer, if Majestic was my GM and decided against it I would accept that.

Well if a little girl can lift 20 tons with magnetics, but only 100lbs with her Carrying, no one would have a problem with her magnetically lifting a plane, right?   Superpowers defy the real world.  So a guy carrying Magno Boy's carrying capacity is only supporting Magno Boy.   Then Magno Boy's magnetic feild is supporting the plane.        The plane is magetically levitating, no matter what Magno Boy is standing on, right?  If Magno Boy was on the roof of a shack, no one would question how the plane was supported, would they?   Now when the plane lands, and the magnetic feild is remove, then we worry about the supports.


Also,  I have a mutant power called Intrinsic Feild.  This is the power that spreads your powers over what ever you many touch up to your carrying capacity.  So if you can lift 20 tons and lift a car by the fender, then your strength is spread evenly through out the car and it is supported without damage.   Without this power, then you would just rip the fender off the car.
   Also, this car would  spread your flame defence over what ever you are touching for free up to your carrying capacity as the intrinsic field makes everything essentially part of you for purposes of your power.
   So If you had this power,  I wouldn't penalise you for carrying very heavy things when flying, as they are intrinsicly part of you.

Excellent comments

I'll go with Paul's version.  The Magnetic CC being the main thing.  As long as the person flying can support the weight of the person he's carrying then all should be fine.  I do think I'll up the weight of the plane though as I agree, it's weigh (heheheh) too light.  Considering that it's also carrying a few people I think they might have made a typo with the weight of it in the module.

The intrinsic field power sounds interesting as well.  I bought a book called "The Science of Super Heroes".  It's a cool real and takes a few well know Superheroes and points out what is possible, what is impossible and what could work with some tweaking.  Really enjoyable

Now that's a light plane 

Another thing I thought of....

Am I right in the way I'm reading the combat table for V&V.

If Adaptation is used as a defence the is 0 chance of some attacks working against it or is that 0 plus whatever attack bonus a character has?

EG.  Player 1 using adaptation for a defence.  Player 2 attacks with Sonic abilities.  0 chance to hit but since player has +2 to attack due to agility they need a 2 or less?

I've never understood the confusion with this

It clearly states in 3.2 of the Basic Combat rules that the numbers given on the chart are "The initial base chance to hit . . . "

After the 'initial' base chance to hit is determined, then all other modifiers apply as normal. Zero in this instance is just a starting point like any other number given on the chart. Any other thought process is a House Rule or wishful thinking.  :)

I use the 0 means immunity thing, with a few exceptions.   Willpower towards HTH being the first one I can think of.    It makes things more difficult I know.

Majestic wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 3:02pm:

If I'm not mistaken, part of Gladiator's (Shi'Ar) strength is explained in at least one place as being partially psionic and not his actual strength at all...

The I.F. (Intrinsic Field) house rule is handy, and could be very cool for shrinking powered characters with super strength who need it for obvious reasons, but it could also negate role play in that if I have the CC in any respect and support the plane from the underbelly of the fuselage then I really don't need the I.F. power.
And if I grab the plane by the wing, it might be problematic ...
And if I grab the landing gear ... fuhgettaboutit.
I should have to think it through. If I'm to pick up the VW, why would I think the bumper can support the weight of the car? I think I'd deserve for John to look at me, rolled some dice and tell me that the bumper rips off...so I grab the chassis.

Paul wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:26pm:



The case of the "who started to take a bite out of my apple at work and put it back in my lunch box with teeth marks on it" LOL

Now that's evil villainy

Thanks  

Making sure I've got everything right in my head before we start playing.  Been 20 years since I've GM'd and played V&V so bit of catching up to do.

Those are some good ones, but here's some of my favorites (now we're getting really O/T). 

1) Nightcrawler taking out the Secret Service agents at the start of X2.

2) Black Widow showing off her martial arts prowess in Iron Man 2.

3) Spider-Man barely holding back the subway in Spider-Man 2.

Wow, all of those are from the second movies in the respective series!

I got chills during The Dark Knight Rises last night, and I could throw out a whole lot of scenes from Avengers that are right up there as well!

Don't know if you ever heard, Super, but I ran a Mystery Men event at one of our local cons.  I statted out all of the characters for V&V (even rarely mentioned ones like Armagezzmo). 

Display Name wrote on Aug 7^th, 2012 at 5:35pm:


Good idea

I'd love to see the Mystery Men statted out...

I loved that movie, was hoping for a sequel that I guess will never happen.