It's been years since I last saw my first edition rules. I like your idea of adding Darkness and Invisibility to the Defense chart. I think it make them more appealing as powers.

As a side note: I think invisibility should cover the full visibile spectrum with maybe a fringe effect a Detect Hidden roll could perceive?

I'm not a GM so I am probably going to get this wrong, but why would Invis be a spearate defense on the chart if you already get a -4 to be hit?  And that is only if they detect you somehow or do an AOE blast and you happen to be in the field?

Paul wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 2:09pm:

You don't get an automatic -4 to hit.

I've got a nice boxed set of 1st edition missing only the orange dice (my son has them in his room), but I've never played it as I use 2nd edition. Is the table all that different?

Matt wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:19pm:


It sure it!  Take a look (I've attached a copy).

I've never seen the box for 1E.  What does it have on the cover?

Ranger wrote on Mar 5^th, 2014 at 10:42pm:



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Razor Fangs,

First off, welcome to the forum!

The combat table is a little confusing if you are used to a "Roll High" system.  V&V is a "Roll Low" combat system, so a zero means a small chance to hit. So where you have a zero, you add and subtract any modifiers (level differences, proficiencies, facing, etc.) to get the final roll requirement.

Take Adaptation for example. Adaption should work pretty well against Chemical Attacks. The base chance to hit is zero, showing a small chance to be hit but it would not be of much use against Emotion Control, there is no modifier and you use the base (7) for the attack type.

So a 5th level bad guy using a chemical attack against a 2nd level hero with Adaptation would be a base 0 with a +3 modifier due to level difference. Being a bad guy, he is attacking from behind, so he gets another +4 for a final attack modifier of +7, so a roll of 7 or less on a d20 means a successful hit.

Similarly, an Android Body would be pretty susceptible to Chemical Attacks, so the base chance to hit is even greater (15) than normal (11) for Chemical Attacks.

Changing the hero to an Android Body instead of Adaptation, you get a base 15 plus 3 for the level difference plus 4 for attacking from behind for a final roll required to hit at 22 (15+3+4) on a d20 so basically the bad guy only misses on a natural 20.

Most of us abide by the natural 1 always hits and a natural 20 always misses, leaving a 5% chance for either, just to keep it interesting. There's always a chance to hit and always a chance to muff it, no matter what.

Hope this helps.

Razor_Fangs wrote on Oct 20^th, 2015 at 10:43pm:


That's it!

In the end is still very logic as a system, but i think they invented this rule just to show they were different from D&D although the name was V&V

Majestic wrote on Oct 21^st, 2015 at 5:58pm:



Yes it is, but we have whole discussions on which RAW things we don't do.

Baretta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2014 at 2:42pm:


There are a lot of powers discarded in the revised edition, now i'm curious to see how they work

Matt wrote on Oct 22^nd, 2015 at 11:40pm:


The first edition rulebook didn't have a box.