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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Comics that convert easily to V&V May 14^th, 2009 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	I posted a thread similar to this on an old boards, and figured I'd do the same here. What are some comics that you think would easily convert over to V&V? Off the top of my head, I'd list the following: Elementals (Comico) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementals_(Comico_Comics) Hero Alliance (Innovation) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_Alliance Catalyst: Agents of Change (Dark Horse) -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=4583903 Infinity Inc. (The old version not the new one) (DC) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity,_Inc. New Teen Titans (DC) - www.titanstower.com Team Titans (DC) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Titans Hardcase (Malibu) -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcase Ultra Force (Malibu) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraforce_(comics) The Strangers (Malibu) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_(Malibu_Comics) Mantra (Malibu) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra_(comics) UN Force (Caliber) - http://fuziondigital.com/unforce2.htm Hard Corps (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.A.R.D._Corps Harbinger (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_(comics) Bloodshot (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodshot_(comics) Psi-Lords (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Lords X-Nation 2099 (Marvel) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Nation_2099 Gen 13 (Image) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen%C2%B9%C2%B3 The New Mutants (The original run of the comic) (Marvel) As you can guess, these are all series that I read, and enjoyed.
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THE ONI Galactus Offline I Roll Too Many 20's Posts: 2695 Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Apr 19^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #1 - May 14^th, 2009 at 9:19pm	Print Post
	I remember John recreating quite a few Marvel heroes into our original V&V world. Spiderman The X-men(including the odd ones) Vison and Scarlet Witch Trust me. I fought all of them.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #2 - May 14^th, 2009 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	I pretty much started playing V&V when the original Infinity Inc. came out. I thought those guys were perfect for V&V. The New Teen Titans also. For that matter, the old Teen Titans ( I just finished reading the orginal series). I agree with you on Gen 13 and The New Mutants. The other comics I never read. I would like to add Stormwatch. And I would add the Authority, of which I ripped off and called Solution. I will be posting the Solution one of these days.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #3 - May 14^th, 2009 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	Personally, I tend to want comics with lower power levels. While I could stat out Supes and Batman, I'm not sure I'd enjoy playing them, as they'd mop the floor with the "standard" V&V characters. And if you want some additional info on the comics I mentioned, I can post links that can fill in some of the details on them

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #4 - May 19^th, 2009 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	With the exception of Thor, the Avengers of the time when V&V came out. Same with the X-Men of that time period (Claremont, Byrne and Austin).


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #5 - May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. I tried to make them as close to the Marvel Handbook as possible. I know Oni/Jimmy's character Dark Warrior went toe to tow with Spider Man and Wolverine.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #6 - May 20^th, 2009 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	You know, the Legion of Super Heroes is very easy to convert to V&V. Most of them only have one power, plus Legion flight ring. Like Lighting Lad, just give him flight and lighting control. Sunboy, flight and flame power. Pretty easy.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #7 - May 22^nd, 2009 at 11:29am	Print Post
	John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 5:32pm: You know, the Legion of Super Heroes is very easy to convert to V&V. Most of them only have one power, plus Legion flight ring. Like Lighting Lad, just give him flight and lighting control. Sunboy, flight and flame power. Pretty easy. That I've gotta agree with you on. I'd say something like Flight (Device): Legion Flight Ring: And tinker with exactly how fast they can fly. And IIRC, don't the flight rings also allow them to survive in space?

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #8 - May 22^nd, 2009 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	Yes, the have a limited adaption power. It seems that they can provide lifesuport to protect them from most enviornments. But they don't seem to help them against attacks.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #9 - May 22^nd, 2009 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	John wrote on May 22^nd, 2009 at 7:19pm: Yes, the have a limited adaption power. It seems that they can provide lifesuport to protect them from most enviornments. But they don't seem to help them against attacks. In 1st edition V&V there was separate power called "Independence from Atmosphere" that allowed characters to survive in space, that would fit the bill.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2009 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm: I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. Any chance you still have the stats you came up with?

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2009 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 6^th, 2009 at 3:35pm: John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm: I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. Any chance you still have the stats you came up with? I wish I still had them. God knows what I did with all my V&V stuff from 20 years ago.

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THE ONI Galactus Offline I Roll Too Many 20's Posts: 2695 Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Apr 19^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:52am	Print Post
	I remember a couple of things/issues. Spider Man was one of them. It seemed difficult making an actual conversion with him since all the conversions were based off the marvel universe stats that had come out at that time. Spider Man was able to lift 15 tons if I remember but if you converted that to V&V stats he was doing 3-4 d10 dam w/HTH. It just seemed high. Any of the Marvel characters that were converted who had Heightened strength were basically off the charts in the V&V world which made it a problem. On the other hand if you took a Character like Cyclops he would fit perfectly. Power blast, heightened expertise and maybe a little heightened charisma for the leadership. He fits right in so I wonder how he survives in the Marvel universe. I remember the rationale between Cyclops and Polaris as to why one was more powerful than the other based off the fact they had the same powers. Experience, that was it.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	Any of you guys ever see Jack Herman's X-Men stats from Other World's magazine? That's the only V&V article I don't have.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	I didn't even know about it till you just mentioned it. I also heard that somewhere there are Teen Titans stats?

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #15 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:05pm: I didn't even know about it till you just mentioned it. I also heard that somewhere there are Teen Titans stats? Yep, here's a link to the scans I posted - http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/VandV/files/New%20Teen%20Titans%20/ Along w/ a PDF or the Terminator I did up last year.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #16 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	Nice! Thanks.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #17 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:08pm: Nice! Thanks. Your welcome. If any of you are interested, I can post links with info on the comics I listed in my first post.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #18 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Sure go ahead. Comic talk is always welcome here.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #19 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:01am	Print Post
	OK, Here you go: UN Force - http://fuziondigital.com/unforce2.htm HARD Corps - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.A.R.D._Corps Harbinger - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_(comics) Ultra Force - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraforce_(comics) The Strangers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strangers_(Malibu_Comics) Mantra - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra_(comics) Hardcase - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcase X-O Manowar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-O_Manowar Armorines - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorines Psi-Lords - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Lords X-Nation 2099 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Nation_2099 If you guys have any favorites, feel free to post info on them.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #20 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:26am	Print Post
	THE ONI wrote on May 14^th, 2009 at 9:19pm: I remember John recreating quite a few Marvel heroes into our original V&V world. Spiderman The X-men(including the odd ones) Vison and Scarlet Witch Trust me. I fought all of them. LOL! We too did a lot of that "back in the day". My best friend back in High School did a ton of conversions (mostly Marvel) and we fought many of the classic comics characters. Our group was pretty high powered, and we even went toe-to-toe with Superman once! (and my friend's character actually took out the Hulk after an epic slugfest in New Mexico!)
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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #21 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:28am	Print Post
	Another comic that would fit extremely well is the Elementals. DNAgents would likely, too, though they're a bit low powered (I recently just picked up a bunch and have been reading them for the first time).


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #22 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 6:28am	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:28am: Another comic that would fit extremely well is the Elementals. DNAgents would likely, too, though they're a bit low powered (I recently just picked up a bunch and have been reading them for the first time). There's already a DNAgents source book for V&V (I have it) and from what I understand, there was an Elementals books in the works (it was far enough along that artwork was being done).

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #23 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 6:28am: Majestic wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:28am: Another comic that would fit extremely well is the Elementals. DNAgents would likely, too, though they're a bit low powered (I recently just picked up a bunch and have been reading them for the first time). There's already a DNAgents source book for V&V (I have it) and from what I understand, there was an Elementals books in the works (it was far enough along that artwork was being done). I've got the DNAgents Sourcebook (though I think it's the only V&V supplement I've never used). Would really love to see that Elementals one!


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #24 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Yes, do you have any of the art work from that?

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #25 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm: Yes, do you have any of the art work from that? Nope, it's one of several items I know that Scott Bizar never released. There's also a couple of modules, and at least two other villain books.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #26 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 8:54pm: John wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm: Yes, do you have any of the art work from that? Nope, it's one of several items I know that Scott Bizar never released. There's also a couple of modules, and at least two other villain books. Damn, I wish they could see the light of day.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #27 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 8:54pm: John wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm: Yes, do you have any of the art work from that? Nope, it's one of several items I know that Scott Bizar never released. There's also a couple of modules, and at least two other villain books. Perhaps an online petition would encourage Mr. Bizar to release those, even if they're just online PDFs. We could probably get 20 people or so!


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THE ONI Galactus Offline I Roll Too Many 20's Posts: 2695 Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Apr 19^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #28 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	I thought someone else owned all the rights to everything V&V.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #29 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 1:32pm: Perhaps an online petition would encourage Mr. Bizar to release those, even if they're just online PDFs. We could probably get 20 people or so! I've spoken with both him and Jeff Dee, and lets just say, that's not happening.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #30 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:01am: X-Nation 2099 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Nation_2099 I thought this was a typo (and that you meant X-Men 2099) until I saw this link. I don't think I ever even saw this comic before!


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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #31 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 9:47pm: Majestic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 1:32pm: Perhaps an online petition would encourage Mr. Bizar to release those, even if they're just online PDFs. We could probably get 20 people or so! I've spoken with both him and Jeff Dee, and lets just say, that's not happening. Which makes no sense (from Scott Bizar's perspective). If his goal is to tie up the rights, why not print something like this, with pretty much no cost (even though it's not going to make much profit).


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #32 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	I thing it actually started off rather well, good writer, decent art (the style fit the characters), and their announced plans, then within a couple of months, it just fell apart. The creative team left, they started killing off characters, and it basically went to hell in six short months.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #33 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:19am	Print Post
	I started adding links to info on the comics I posted. I'll add more later.

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #34 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 10:44pm	Print Post
	Thanks. Appreciated!


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