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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Comics that convert easily to V&V May 14^th, 2009 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	I posted a thread similar to this on an old boards, and figured I'd do the same here. What are some comics that you think would easily convert over to V&V? Off the top of my head, I'd list the following: Elementals (Comico) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elementals_(Comico_Comics) Hero Alliance (Innovation) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero_Alliance Catalyst: Agents of Change (Dark Horse) -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=4583903 Infinity Inc. (The old version not the new one) (DC) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity,_Inc. New Teen Titans (DC) - www.titanstower.com Team Titans (DC) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_Titans Hardcase (Malibu) -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcase Ultra Force (Malibu) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraforce_(comics) The Strangers (Malibu) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangers_(Malibu_Comics) Mantra (Malibu) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra_(comics) UN Force (Caliber) - http://fuziondigital.com/unforce2.htm Hard Corps (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.A.R.D._Corps Harbinger (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_(comics) Bloodshot (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodshot_(comics) Psi-Lords (Valiant) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Lords X-Nation 2099 (Marvel) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Nation_2099 Gen 13 (Image) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gen%C2%B9%C2%B3 The New Mutants (The original run of the comic) (Marvel) As you can guess, these are all series that I read, and enjoyed.
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THE ONI Galactus Offline I Roll Too Many 20's Posts: 2695 Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Apr 19^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #1 - May 14^th, 2009 at 9:19pm	Print Post
	I remember John recreating quite a few Marvel heroes into our original V&V world. Spiderman The X-men(including the odd ones) Vison and Scarlet Witch Trust me. I fought all of them.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #2 - May 14^th, 2009 at 9:20pm	Print Post
	I pretty much started playing V&V when the original Infinity Inc. came out. I thought those guys were perfect for V&V. The New Teen Titans also. For that matter, the old Teen Titans ( I just finished reading the orginal series). I agree with you on Gen 13 and The New Mutants. The other comics I never read. I would like to add Stormwatch. And I would add the Authority, of which I ripped off and called Solution. I will be posting the Solution one of these days.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #3 - May 14^th, 2009 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	Personally, I tend to want comics with lower power levels. While I could stat out Supes and Batman, I'm not sure I'd enjoy playing them, as they'd mop the floor with the "standard" V&V characters. And if you want some additional info on the comics I mentioned, I can post links that can fill in some of the details on them

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #4 - May 19^th, 2009 at 10:57pm	Print Post
	With the exception of Thor, the Avengers of the time when V&V came out. Same with the X-Men of that time period (Claremont, Byrne and Austin).


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #5 - May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. I tried to make them as close to the Marvel Handbook as possible. I know Oni/Jimmy's character Dark Warrior went toe to tow with Spider Man and Wolverine.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #6 - May 20^th, 2009 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	You know, the Legion of Super Heroes is very easy to convert to V&V. Most of them only have one power, plus Legion flight ring. Like Lighting Lad, just give him flight and lighting control. Sunboy, flight and flame power. Pretty easy.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #7 - May 22^nd, 2009 at 11:29am	Print Post
	John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 5:32pm: You know, the Legion of Super Heroes is very easy to convert to V&V. Most of them only have one power, plus Legion flight ring. Like Lighting Lad, just give him flight and lighting control. Sunboy, flight and flame power. Pretty easy. That I've gotta agree with you on. I'd say something like Flight (Device): Legion Flight Ring: And tinker with exactly how fast they can fly. And IIRC, don't the flight rings also allow them to survive in space?

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #8 - May 22^nd, 2009 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	Yes, the have a limited adaption power. It seems that they can provide lifesuport to protect them from most enviornments. But they don't seem to help them against attacks.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #9 - May 22^nd, 2009 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	John wrote on May 22^nd, 2009 at 7:19pm: Yes, the have a limited adaption power. It seems that they can provide lifesuport to protect them from most enviornments. But they don't seem to help them against attacks. In 1st edition V&V there was separate power called "Independence from Atmosphere" that allowed characters to survive in space, that would fit the bill.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #10 - Jun 6^th, 2009 at 3:35pm	Print Post
	John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm: I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. Any chance you still have the stats you came up with?

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #11 - Jun 6^th, 2009 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 6^th, 2009 at 3:35pm: John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm: I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. Any chance you still have the stats you came up with? I wish I still had them. God knows what I did with all my V&V stuff from 20 years ago.

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THE ONI Galactus Offline I Roll Too Many 20's Posts: 2695 Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Apr 19^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #12 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:52am	Print Post
	I remember a couple of things/issues. Spider Man was one of them. It seemed difficult making an actual conversion with him since all the conversions were based off the marvel universe stats that had come out at that time. Spider Man was able to lift 15 tons if I remember but if you converted that to V&V stats he was doing 3-4 d10 dam w/HTH. It just seemed high. Any of the Marvel characters that were converted who had Heightened strength were basically off the charts in the V&V world which made it a problem. On the other hand if you took a Character like Cyclops he would fit perfectly. Power blast, heightened expertise and maybe a little heightened charisma for the leadership. He fits right in so I wonder how he survives in the Marvel universe. I remember the rationale between Cyclops and Polaris as to why one was more powerful than the other based off the fact they had the same powers. Experience, that was it.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #13 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 12:52pm	Print Post
	Any of you guys ever see Jack Herman's X-Men stats from Other World's magazine? That's the only V&V article I don't have.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #14 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:05pm	Print Post
	I didn't even know about it till you just mentioned it. I also heard that somewhere there are Teen Titans stats?

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #15 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 3:05pm: I didn't even know about it till you just mentioned it. I also heard that somewhere there are Teen Titans stats? Yep, here's a link to the scans I posted - http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/VandV/files/New%20Teen%20Titans%20/ Along w/ a PDF or the Terminator I did up last year.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #16 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:08pm	Print Post
	Nice! Thanks.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #17 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:44pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 7^th, 2009 at 9:08pm: Nice! Thanks. Your welcome. If any of you are interested, I can post links with info on the comics I listed in my first post.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #18 - Jun 7^th, 2009 at 10:37pm	Print Post
	Sure go ahead. Comic talk is always welcome here.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #19 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:01am	Print Post
	OK, Here you go: UN Force - http://fuziondigital.com/unforce2.htm HARD Corps - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.A.R.D._Corps Harbinger - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_(comics) Ultra Force - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraforce_(comics) The Strangers - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strangers_(Malibu_Comics) Mantra - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra_(comics) Hardcase - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcase X-O Manowar - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-O_Manowar Armorines - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armorines Psi-Lords - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psi_Lords X-Nation 2099 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Nation_2099 If you guys have any favorites, feel free to post info on them.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #20 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:26am	Print Post
	THE ONI wrote on May 14^th, 2009 at 9:19pm: I remember John recreating quite a few Marvel heroes into our original V&V world. Spiderman The X-men(including the odd ones) Vison and Scarlet Witch Trust me. I fought all of them. LOL! We too did a lot of that "back in the day". My best friend back in High School did a ton of conversions (mostly Marvel) and we fought many of the classic comics characters. Our group was pretty high powered, and we even went toe-to-toe with Superman once! (and my friend's character actually took out the Hulk after an epic slugfest in New Mexico!)
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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #21 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:28am	Print Post
	Another comic that would fit extremely well is the Elementals. DNAgents would likely, too, though they're a bit low powered (I recently just picked up a bunch and have been reading them for the first time).


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #22 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 6:28am	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:28am: Another comic that would fit extremely well is the Elementals. DNAgents would likely, too, though they're a bit low powered (I recently just picked up a bunch and have been reading them for the first time). There's already a DNAgents source book for V&V (I have it) and from what I understand, there was an Elementals books in the works (it was far enough along that artwork was being done).

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #23 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 6:28am: Majestic wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 4:28am: Another comic that would fit extremely well is the Elementals. DNAgents would likely, too, though they're a bit low powered (I recently just picked up a bunch and have been reading them for the first time). There's already a DNAgents source book for V&V (I have it) and from what I understand, there was an Elementals books in the works (it was far enough along that artwork was being done). I've got the DNAgents Sourcebook (though I think it's the only V&V supplement I've never used). Would really love to see that Elementals one!


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #24 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm	Print Post
	Yes, do you have any of the art work from that?

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #25 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 8:54pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm: Yes, do you have any of the art work from that? Nope, it's one of several items I know that Scott Bizar never released. There's also a couple of modules, and at least two other villain books.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #26 - Jun 8^th, 2009 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 8:54pm: John wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm: Yes, do you have any of the art work from that? Nope, it's one of several items I know that Scott Bizar never released. There's also a couple of modules, and at least two other villain books. Damn, I wish they could see the light of day.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #27 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 8:54pm: John wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 7:05pm: Yes, do you have any of the art work from that? Nope, it's one of several items I know that Scott Bizar never released. There's also a couple of modules, and at least two other villain books. Perhaps an online petition would encourage Mr. Bizar to release those, even if they're just online PDFs. We could probably get 20 people or so!


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THE ONI Galactus Offline I Roll Too Many 20's Posts: 2695 Location: Long Island, New York Joined: Apr 19^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #28 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 7:29pm	Print Post
	I thought someone else owned all the rights to everything V&V.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #29 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 9:47pm	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 1:32pm: Perhaps an online petition would encourage Mr. Bizar to release those, even if they're just online PDFs. We could probably get 20 people or so! I've spoken with both him and Jeff Dee, and lets just say, that's not happening.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #30 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 8^th, 2009 at 12:01am: X-Nation 2099 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Nation_2099 I thought this was a typo (and that you meant X-Men 2099) until I saw this link. I don't think I ever even saw this comic before!


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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #31 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 9:47pm: Majestic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2009 at 1:32pm: Perhaps an online petition would encourage Mr. Bizar to release those, even if they're just online PDFs. We could probably get 20 people or so! I've spoken with both him and Jeff Dee, and lets just say, that's not happening. Which makes no sense (from Scott Bizar's perspective). If his goal is to tie up the rights, why not print something like this, with pretty much no cost (even though it's not going to make much profit).


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #32 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	I thing it actually started off rather well, good writer, decent art (the style fit the characters), and their announced plans, then within a couple of months, it just fell apart. The creative team left, they started killing off characters, and it basically went to hell in six short months.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #33 - Aug 6^th, 2009 at 12:19am	Print Post
	I started adding links to info on the comics I posted. I'll add more later.

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	Thanks. Appreciated!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #35 - Aug 7^th, 2009 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	Here's some artwork the books I posted. Mantra

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #36 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:10pm	Print Post
	Any of you guys planning on adding comics?

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #37 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:13pm	Print Post
	Noble Causes and Dynamo 5 are perfect for V&V. The characters are about as powerful as the Classic Teen Titans, and each have one major power with mabye an additional booster power. And the comics are just plain fun.

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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #38 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	The original FF work very well. So do the original X-Men if you give Marvel Girl telekinesis more than once.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #39 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:36pm	Print Post
	I've glanced through a couple of issues of Dynamo 5, but that's pretty much it. Care to give a brief overview of the series?

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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #40 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:46pm	Print Post
	In contrast to the original X-Men, I think the early New Mutants take some work to fit into V&V. Here's why: 1. Cannonball's okay. He has flight and a body power (force field that also protects his carrying capacity of passengers) w/special requirement: Force Field only activates while he's flying at first, and he must make an Agility save (d20) to turn. 2. Sunspot has power activation w/h. strength. He has some type of absorption (gains strength from sunlight) and his powers run out in the dark, but it takes a little juggling to develop a formula for V&V. That's okay, but it doesn't fit easily into the system. 3. Wolvesbane has transformation weaker form with a caveat that she can also transform into a half-wolf. That combination isn't hard to write up, but it doesn't fit nicely into the transformation categories of V&V. 4. Karma's mental possession is a type of Psionics. Not hard to write up, but it doesn't exactly match Mind/Emotion control. 5. Psyche's power is a type of emotional control (fear plus love) that includes a visual illusion that looks real to the targeted person but is also visible like a hologram to everyone else. Not hard to figure out, but doesn't nicely tie into an existing power. She has h. expertise with some weapons, but her ability to mentally control animals was mentioned at first but not carried through consistently. 6. Magma, the first recurit after the originals, turns into lava (chemical power) but also can build mini volcanoes and cause minor earth quakes. She has low-self control, but the logisics weren't handled consistently.
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	dsumner wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:36pm: I've glanced through a couple of issues of Dynamo 5, but that's pretty much it. Care to give a brief overview of the series? There are five children of Captain Dynamo. Captain Dynamo died while in the arms of another woman. His widow went out and found out that he has been cheating on her for years. She found five of his children, activated their powers through a dose of radiation that gave the Captain his powers, and she is now training them to be the protectors of Tower City. Each kid has one of the Captain's powers. One is super strong and invulerable. One is telepathic. One can fly. One can shapechange, and the last has vision powers; x ray, heat vision etc...

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #42 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	SuperFriend wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 8:46pm: In contrast to the original X-Men, I think the early New Mutants take some work to fit into V&V. Here's why: 1. Cannonball's okay. He has flight and a body power (force field that also protects his carrying capacity of passengers) w/special requirement: Force Field only activates while he's flying at first, and he must make an Agility save (d20) to turn. 2. Sunspot has power activation w/h. strength. He has some type of absorption (gains strength from sunlight) and his powers run out in the dark, but it takes a little juggling to develop a formula for V&V. That's okay, but it doesn't fit easily into the system. 3. Wolvesbane has transformation weaker form with a caveat that she can also transform into a half-wolf. That combination isn't hard to write up, but it doesn't fit nicely into the transformation categories of V&V. 4. Karma's mental possession is a type of Psionics. Not hard to write up, but it doesn't exactly match Mind/Emotion control. 5. Psyche's power is a type of emotional control (fear plus love) that includes a visual illusion that looks real to the targeted person but is also visible like a hologram to everyone else. Not hard to figure out, but doesn't nicely tie into an existing power. She has h. expertise with some weapons, but her ability to mentally control animals was mentioned at first but not carried through consistently. 6. Magma, the first recurit after the originals, turns into lava (chemical power) but also can build mini volcanoes and cause minor earth quakes. She has low-self control, but the logisics weren't handled consistently. 1. Hmmm...for Cannonball, I'd say something like Invulnerability (Protective Aura): Aura provides 20 points Invulnerability, and extends to any objects he's in direct contact with. Only effective when he's "blasting". 2. I'll play with the exact wording for Sunspot's power write-up, but I think it would be pretty simple. With a power loss in darkness for a weakness. 3. Wolfsbane should be fairly simple -Transformation: Werewolf: a) Wolf Form, b) Half-Wolf. I'll play with specifics later, but both would have some sort of Animal/Plant powers (Wolf Powers). 4. Karma would basically have a modified version of Mind Control. I'd probably use something similar to the Possession power I wrote up for Jericho. 5. Psyche/Mirage/Moonstar would have Emotion Control, and Illusions A. Just state in the power right up, that the Illusions only appear real to her intended target. 6. I'll have to play with Magma a bit, but give me a few days and I'll see what I can come up with. I'll also play around with Cypher, and Warlock.

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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #43 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	Basically you just restated what I already wrote. Whatup w/dat! Like I said, they don't fit easily into V&V. Of course you can write up their powers as you'd like--that'll work--but it's not the same as standard V&V powers. If it takes you a few days to figure out Magma, dat ain't the same as Wings for Angel and Ice Powers fer Iceman, etc. I still like Force Field w/Cannonball b'cuz it looks like he's protected like a Force Field, And they call it a Force Field. like Unus or Suzie Richards. But dat's juz me. If he just had Invulnerability, the people he holds when he flies wouldn't be protected. But they iz. Dat's why it's really like Force Field modified through Body Power or Mutant Power, I guess.
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #44 - Aug 10^th, 2009 at 11:01pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Aug 10^th, 2009 at 10:42pm: 5. Psyche/Mirage/Moonstar would have Emotion Control, and Illusions A. Just state in the power right up, that the Illusions only appear real to her intended target. I think you have to merge these t'gether w/her as Psionics. She makes people afraid or in love WHILE showing them a specific image drawn from their mind. That's a power unto itself. It doesn't work the same as Illusions A or Emotion Control alone. Plus, the original version of the character doesnt even know which image she's pulling out from her opponent's head when she activates the power. It attacks as Emotion Control, and the visual illuison is an add on, revealing their secret fears/loves to everyone. Mastermind has Illusions A. Danni Moonstar: not exactly. Go ahead and write them up. That'd be great. But if you have to modify the powers all up the map, it's not da same as sayin' they fit easily into V&V. Unless I'm misunderstandin' the post. Tell me if I am, my brother.
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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #45 - Aug 11^th, 2009 at 12:46am	Print Post
	What I'm trying to say is that while the various characters powers might not be the same as standard V&V powers, all of them would easily "fit" into a V&V game, with very little work. But a character like the pre-COIE Superman, probably wouldn't as he'd be far to powerful for a "standard" game. I hope that clarifies my meaning of "easily convert." As far as Cannonball and Psyche go, I think either version of a a write-up would work. It's all in how you choose to write-up there abilities. it's one of the reasons I like seeing multiple write-ups of the same character, as each person has a slightly different take on them.

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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #46 - Aug 11^th, 2009 at 12:48am	Print Post
	Okay. I get it now. Well in that case just about everyone can fit in V&V. And I already wrote up a pre-Crisis Superman.
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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #47 - Aug 15^th, 2009 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Apparently one of the books in mentioned on the first page, UN Force, is making a comeback - http://theunforce.com/ They've updated some of the characters costumes, and while I like the look of most, I actually prefer the old looks for Hunter/Seeker and Procyon (pics below). New UN Force Cover Old Looks Hunter/Seeker Procyon Procyon's the black guy with the starfield costume flying at the top left corner of the cover.
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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #48 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 9:40am	Print Post
	Bump, bump, bump. Namely, because I know there are other books out their. And while I'm thinking about it, I'd add Alpha Flight to the list, as well as Young Avengers. Both groups have powers that would fit well within established V&V parameters.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #49 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 2:22pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 9:40am: Bump, bump, bump. Namely, because I know there are other books out their. And while I'm thinking about it, I'd add Alpha Flight to the list, as well as Young Avengers. Both groups have powers that would fit well within established V&V parameters. Some of you have probably seen me post this before, but I don't think I've done it on these forums. Re: Alpha Flight - my best friend and I in high school were big into V&V. There were four of us, including my younger brother and another friend. My BF and I would spend hours making character sheets; this is back in the day when we would have to spend literally hour after hour at the local Copy Mart with scissors and tape, carefully cutting out black and white art and using only Kodak copiers (back in the day they were the only ones that gave a true black to the blacks in our copies). We converted and made hundreds of comics characters, mostly Marvel (a few of them are posted in the Yahoo V&V Group's files section, if you want to see some). When it came to Alpha Flight, they were only a couple dozen issues into the series back then, at most (more likely only 15-20 issues). I remember sitting down with each comic produced to that point, and figuring out how much XP they gained in that issue. We would calculate out where they should be at - exactly - based on what we'd seen or been told so far. So, to this day, I still have a folder with the colored character sheets of the various initial members of AF. Their levels are really accurate, at least to that point in their carreers!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #50 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Majestic wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 2:22pm: Some of you have probably seen me post this before, but I don't think I've done it on these forums. Re: Alpha Flight - my best friend and I in high school were big into V&V. There were four of us, including my younger brother and another friend. My BF and I would spend hours making character sheets; this is back in the day when we would have to spend literally hour after hour at the local Copy Mart with scissors and tape, carefully cutting out black and white art and using only Kodak copiers (back in the day they were the only ones that gave a true black to the blacks in our copies). We converted and made hundreds of comics characters, mostly Marvel (a few of them are posted in the Yahoo V&V Group's files section, if you want to see some). When it came to Alpha Flight, they were only a couple dozen issues into the series back then, at most (more likely only 15-20 issues). I remember sitting down with each comic produced to that point, and figuring out how much XP they gained in that issue. We would calculate out where they should be at - exactly - based on what we'd seen or been told so far. So, to this day, I still have a folder with the colored character sheets of the various initial members of AF. Their levels are really accurate, at least to that point in their carreers! So what are you waiting for, post em already.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #51 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 3:00pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 2:57pm: Majestic wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 2:22pm: Some of you have probably seen me post this before, but I don't think I've done it on these forums. Re: Alpha Flight - my best friend and I in high school were big into V&V. There were four of us, including my younger brother and another friend. My BF and I would spend hours making character sheets; this is back in the day when we would have to spend literally hour after hour at the local Copy Mart with scissors and tape, carefully cutting out black and white art and using only Kodak copiers (back in the day they were the only ones that gave a true black to the blacks in our copies). We converted and made hundreds of comics characters, mostly Marvel (a few of them are posted in the Yahoo V&V Group's files section, if you want to see some). When it came to Alpha Flight, they were only a couple dozen issues into the series back then, at most (more likely only 15-20 issues). I remember sitting down with each comic produced to that point, and figuring out how much XP they gained in that issue. We would calculate out where they should be at - exactly - based on what we'd seen or been told so far. So, to this day, I still have a folder with the colored character sheets of the various initial members of AF. Their levels are really accurate, at least to that point in their carreers! So what are you waiting for, post em already. Can't from here. Will perhaps do some scanning at home later tonight.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #52 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	Another comic I forgot to mention was L.E.G.I.O.N., good book, with some interesting characters, and a a cool mix of LoSH, and modern day DC characters.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #53 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	I second Legion. ITs the closest comic to capturing that late 80's feel.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #54 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 5:20pm: I second Legion. ITs the closest comic to capturing that late 80's feel. Legion had a sci-fi storyline, some fun characters, and mixed up action, with comedy, and some fairly dark moments. A really nice mix, that just clicked.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #55 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 5:25pm: John wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 5:20pm: I second Legion. ITs the closest comic to capturing that late 80's feel. Legion had a sci-fi storyline, some fun characters, and mixed up action, with comedy, and some fairly dark moments. A really nice mix, that just clicked. I realised I meant to say REBELS. Its coming out now and its just like the old LEGION comics.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #56 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 6:54pm: I realised I meant to say REBELS. Its coming out now and its just like the old LEGION comics. REBELS is OK, but it's not quite as good as the old LEGION series, but it does capture some of the feel. My main beef is that it started off a little to slow, the first storyline dragged on a we bit to long, and I'm not really to keen on a couple of the characters.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #57 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	Anyone read Young Heros in Love? It was a much too soon cancelled series with teen heroes each with one power. Bonfire had flame powers Harddrive Heightened Charisma and telekinese JR had size change (stuck at 6 inches tall) and Heightened Intellegence Monster Girl could cshape change Thunderhead strength and invulerablity Offramp; Teleportation And I think Jack Frost, Ice powers It was a fun light hearted comic.

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Black Bolt Avenger Offline Leader of the Inhuman Debating Society Posts: 276 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Joined: Mar 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #58 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 11:52pm	Print Post
	Young Heroes in Love was a great series! Too bad it got cancelled. I'm used to collecting comics that end up getting cancelled before their time. You guys have some great suggestions in this thread. Love the New Mutant ideas. thumbs up

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #59 - Apr 2^nd, 2010 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 10:40pm: Anyone read Young Heros in Love? It was a much too soon cancelled series with teen heroes each with one power. Bonfire had flame powers Harddrive Heightened Charisma and telekinese JR had size change (stuck at 6 inches tall) and Heightened Intellegence Monster Girl could cshape change Thunderhead strength and invulerablity Offramp; Teleportation And I think Jack Frost, Ice powers It was a fun light hearted comic. This one group that I met (they ended up joining our campaign) had a V&V campaign of their own that utilized this concept. Each hero (and villain) had only ONE power. They simply went through the rulebook and built a character around each power. The good guys made up the Hero Horde and the bad guys were known as the Villain Horde. It's an interesting idea; at least nobody has to worry about someone else showcasing their own ability.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #60 - Sep 26^th, 2010 at 7:40am	Print Post
	Once again, I'm giving this a bump, namely as I'm in a better mood today, and planning on doing a little work.

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davew Avenger Offline Designer Posts: 357 Joined: Feb 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #61 - Sep 26^th, 2010 at 10:05am	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 6^th, 2009 at 9:27pm: dsumner wrote on Jun 6^th, 2009 at 3:35pm: John wrote on May 20^th, 2009 at 3:43pm: I actually have stated out the X Men, and Spiderman and many Marvel Heros back when I first started playing V&V. Any chance you still have the stats you came up with? I wish I still had them. God knows what I did with all my V&V stuff from 20 years ago. I know, that's my biggest regret as well... I'd love to redo my old characters, but I have no idea who half of them were or what their powers were.

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Display Name Justice Leaguer Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 1851 Joined: Jul 20^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #62 - Sep 26^th, 2010 at 10:09am	Print Post
	Does anyone have any information on the X-Men stats in the Other Worlds magazine mentioned earlier in this thread?


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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #63 - Sep 27^th, 2010 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Stuff that i think could be workable: Protectors (Malibu/Genesis-verse; early 1990's) Project Superpowers (Dynamite Entertainment) The Family Dynamic (fun little family friendly DC-Marvel pastiche) Marvel's MC2 (Spider-girl etc) line - much more than the regular MU even.


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davew Avenger Offline Designer Posts: 357 Joined: Feb 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #64 - Sep 27^th, 2010 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	(running towards the open door to this room and quickly popping my head in) Just wanted to mention that Howard the Duck doesn't convert to V&V at all.... (sticking my tongue out and then running right back out of the doorway to the room and down the hall before John's skin turns green, he gets whopping impressive muscles, and yanks the engine block out of an old 74 AMC Gremlin and throws it at me...)

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AlabasterKnight Justice Leaguer Offline Heroing since 1979. Posts: 1142 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Jun 21^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #65 - Sep 28^th, 2010 at 11:08am	Print Post
	I seem to remember an old comic I thought was interesting from Innovation called Hero Alliance. Seemed pretty V&V to me.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #66 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	AlabasterKnight wrote on Sep 28^th, 2010 at 11:08am: I seem to remember an old comic I thought was interesting from Innovation called Hero Alliance. Seemed pretty V&V to me. I have a good little number of Hero Alliance comics, and yeah the power levels of the characters would fit nicely into a V&V campaign. As far as the book itself is concerned, it started off with a pretty good concept, then sort of degenerated into an excuse to draw cheesecake/good girl art. Hmmm...I just might see if I can track down the creator.

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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #67 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	Anyone suggest Spider Girl? It fits in perfect with the Crusader mod.

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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #68 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:30pm: Anyone suggest Spider Girl? It fits in perfect with the Crusader mod. I'm not sure if they did or not. While I'm thinking about it, several of the M2 characters would work well in V&V.

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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #69 - Oct 7^th, 2010 at 3:43am	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:36pm: John wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:30pm: Anyone suggest Spider Girl? It fits in perfect with the Crusader mod. I'm not sure if they did or not. While I'm thinking about it, several of the M2 characters would work well in V&V. Just look upwards 6 posts...
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	PulpCitizen wrote on Oct 7^th, 2010 at 3:43am: dsumner wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:36pm: John wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 5:30pm: Anyone suggest Spider Girl? It fits in perfect with the Crusader mod. I'm not sure if they did or not. While I'm thinking about it, several of the M2 characters would work well in V&V. Just look upwards 6 posts... I can't Ive been hit with a spell; Powerword LAZY!

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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #71 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 5:54am	Print Post
	I know that one!


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #72 - Oct 9^th, 2010 at 8:37am	Print Post
	Noble Causes would have been a great V&V campaign. As well as agreat read. And the last page of each comic Jay Farber would have an article called, "Under the Influence". This article would talk about the things that influenced him. Things like comics, books, and tv shows. One of the articles was an excellent discusion of the Elementals! Its a comic series I highly recomend.

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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #73 - Oct 18^th, 2010 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	2 comic book universes that I think could work: - Savage Dragon et al - Project Superpowers And although not a comic book universe, the Sentinels series of novels is being translated into a M&M supplement, so why not a V&V supplement?


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #74 - Oct 18^th, 2010 at 1:05pm	Print Post
	PC, IIRC, you're over in the UK, which British comics do you think would work well in a V&V?

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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #75 - Oct 18^th, 2010 at 3:56pm	Print Post
	dsumner wrote on Oct 18^th, 2010 at 1:05pm: PC, IIRC, you're over in the UK, which British comics do you think would work well in a V&V? We don't really do 'superhero' comics on the whole in the UK, but the overwhelming array of non-super stuff aside, my favourite choice would be Zenith. There may be some power scaling issues, but this early Grant Morrison work is fertile ground, especially as later books in the saga incorporated a ton of old British superheroes from the 50's, 60's and 70's. Of more modern stuff, Jack Staff (currently published by Image) could work really well - it has quite a growing cast of fairly low to mid-powered types.
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	I think that Marvel's New Universe characters would convert pretty easily to V&V.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #77 - Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 4:21am	Print Post
	Bumping this up, as we've got some new members, and I'd like to hear there opinions.

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Gerry Justice Leaguer Offline Graak kill Blue Skins! /> Posts: 1257 Location: Portland, OR Joined: Sep 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #78 - Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 9:26am	Print Post
	I can't believe no one has mentioned The Justice Machine! Their power levels are perfect for V&V! Info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Machine Alongside The Elementals and Hero Alliance, one of my all time favorite indie comic hero teams. And they should be coming back soon, thanks to Moonstone comics. I bought the sourcebook for Heros Unlimited, and I don't even own the rules for that game! Also the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents (yes, I know a supplement was supposed to come, but never did). Others: Brigade (the lineup from the first limited series, when they went into space), The Southern Knights, Strikeforce Morituri, the early run of Suicide Squad (before they went to Apokolips). Many all ready mentioned I'd second, third, fourth, etc. I'm sure there are more I'd suggest, but I just got done working 9 hours, so my brain is tired


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proditorcappela Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 133 Location: Silver Spring, MD Joined: Aug 17^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #79 - Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 9:44am	Print Post
	How about the Archie Comics/Impact lineup? Most of them don't have really difficult to scale powers iirc. (The one issue I had converting heroes like Spider-Man and Sasquatch, is with high agility, str, and end, they were hit point dynamo high output wrecking machines) American Crusaders (Original Shield, Captain Commando, Firefly, Doc Strong, and Black Witch) [50s superhero team] American Shield Black Hoods Black Jack Black Witch Bob Phantom Captain Commando Comet Crusaders (Shield, Fly, Comet, Jaguar, Fireball, and The Web) Doc Strong Dusty (sidekick of Original Shield) Fireball Firefly The Fly Fox Hangman Jaguar Original Shield Shield Shield Shield Kid Steel Sterling The Web (now a group)


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #80 - Sep 24^th, 2011 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	Good Call!

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Mach Hammer Sidekick Offline The Hammer is Back! Posts: 9 Joined: May 4^th, 2011	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #81 - Oct 4^th, 2011 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	Gerry wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 9:26am: Also the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents (yes, I know a supplement was supposed to come, but never did). AK, any chance this will ever see the light of day?


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Gerry Justice Leaguer Offline Graak kill Blue Skins! /> Posts: 1257 Location: Portland, OR Joined: Sep 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #82 - Oct 5^th, 2011 at 3:42am	Print Post
	I seriously doubt it. That was decades ago, and the original license for the book has likely lapsed


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #83 - Oct 5^th, 2011 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Mach Hammer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2011 at 10:34pm: Gerry wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 9:26am: Also the T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents (yes, I know a supplement was supposed to come, but never did). AK, any chance this will ever see the light of day? DC Comics now holds the publish rights for THUNDER Agents, so I doubt it's going to give them up.

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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #84 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	proditorcappela wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2011 at 9:44am: How about the Archie Comics/Impact lineup?... I may try some write-ups for those. I am working up some DC-Red Circle heroes at the moment, so after that may follow with the !mpact iterations.
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proditorcappela Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 133 Location: Silver Spring, MD Joined: Aug 17^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #85 - Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	I've been considering whipping out some "homage" characters with the serial numbers lightly buffed away. I've always really dug The Shield. Then again, I'm generally a sucker for a flag suit. From left to right on one of my book shelves I have the following Marvel figs: Guardian, Captain Britain (Red uniform), Captain Britain (Alan Davis reboot), Captain Britain (Excalibur v1), Captain Britain (Cap Britain and MI13), Union Jack, Captain America (WW2), Captain America (Modern), Captain America (Bucky), and Red Shield.
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PulpCitizen Avenger Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 277 Joined: Sep 26^th, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #86 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 6:58am	Print Post
	Red Shield? Not one I am familiar with.


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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #87 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	You sound like a fan of Captains, proditor!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #88 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	Any country in particular?

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AlabasterKnight Justice Leaguer Offline Heroing since 1979. Posts: 1142 Location: Phoenix, AZ Joined: Jun 21^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #89 - Nov 4^th, 2011 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	off suggested topic/ I was watching the Incredibles (Pixar) last night and would love to see that sourcebook....

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #90 - Nov 5^th, 2011 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	AlabasterKnight wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 8:28pm: off suggested topic/ I was watching the Incredibles (Pixar) last night and would love to see that sourcebook.... Funny that you mention that. I just saw the DVD on the shelf last night and thought to myself that I need to watch it again (it's been years). An interesting anecdote about The Incredibles: on the radio a few days ago they were talking about a list of the most desired super powers. As they did each one (Flight, Super Strength, Invisibility, etc.) they talked about the most iconic superhero character identified with that power. When they came to Super Speed the most identified super was Dash (from the Incredibles), rather than Flash, Quicksilver, etc.


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proditorcappela Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 133 Location: Silver Spring, MD Joined: Aug 17^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #91 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 9:36pm	Print Post
	Sorry, zoned out for a while there...Red Shield is now..Iron or Steel Guardian I think? Basically the Russian Captain America. As to favorite country, not really. On City of Heroes, 3 friends and I made "The League of Many Nations" which had heroes from as many different countries as we could come up with, and in non-traditional/stereotype roles. So like, the Martial Artist was French, named "Gant Argent" or Silver Glove, and was a Master of Savate. I tend to have a weakness for the Union Jack though, as I've made Union Jack custom clix, and when I wrote an article for Digital Hero back in the day, I had to make Britannic, the first British flag suit, with a Union jack cape/mask.
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Gerry Justice Leaguer Offline Graak kill Blue Skins! /> Posts: 1257 Location: Portland, OR Joined: Sep 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #92 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 12:14am	Print Post
	Actually, his name is Red Guardian. There was one Red Guardian who changed his name, but he died. The current Red Guardian is the former Vanguard, who lost his hammer & Sickle during the last mini-series featuring the Russian heroes in it (Darkstar & The Winter Guard)


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proditorcappela Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 133 Location: Silver Spring, MD Joined: Aug 17^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #93 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 10:27pm	Print Post
	Yup, my bad, Red Guardian. But the one I have is not the ex-Vanguard, but the ex-Red Guardian who became Steel Guardian when he joined the Winter Guard. (He was the 4th Red Guardian...out of 7. Not a job with a lot of longevity)


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Gerry Justice Leaguer Offline Graak kill Blue Skins! /> Posts: 1257 Location: Portland, OR Joined: Sep 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #94 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 1:42am	Print Post
	He might have been the 5th, as there was a Golden Age Red Guardian who shows up in a flashback issue of Captain America (iirc). Anyway, Steel Guardian died in Limbo at the hands of the Dire Wraiths. There was another Red Guardian (who was a cyborg) leading the Russian heroes, but he got taken out when it was revealed that Fantasma was a Wraith queen. Vanguard lost his weapons, and took up Guardian's shield, so now he's the new Red Guardian (though I have no clue if the shield he carries can focus his mutant power like the hammer and sickle did). I tend to like various international heroes that appear in comics. Most are not overly powerful, but tend to have cool concepts. Crimson Dynamo has always been one of my favorite Iron Man villains back in the day.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #95 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 1:40am	Print Post
	Bump. bump, bump. I'd have to add the Archie Red Circle and DC's Impact line of comics to the mix as well.

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Tempest Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 189 Joined: Apr 2^nd, 2010	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #96 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 11:59am	Print Post
	Thank you for the bump, DSumner (and how often do you get people complimenting you for giving them a bump?); I'd never seen this particular thread before, but the subject matter looked intriguing. Looking over previous point-outs and examples brings me back to the Summer of '93: I was doing a final course to finish off my degree (entire year's worth of material packed into three weeks; fortunately, the prof was superb and I ended up enjoying the hell out of it). However, another marker of that time was Rob Liefeld's Brigade...a work now lost in the sands of time, perhaps, but which was my guilty pleasure back in the day. What marked that series - at least the first four issues - as total V&V material, for me, was not just the characters and their respective powers and power levels - which I found to be entirely replicable within the scope of the game - but also the storyline, which was about as straightforward, bad-guys-are-comin'-to-town, stomp-'em-till-you-just-can't-stomp-no-more, make-no-apologies fun as you could ask for. Thinking about how to stat up characters like Battlestone (aka John Stone - gotta give Rob credit for pushing the boundaries there), Kayo, Seahawk, Coldsnap, Atlas, Thermal and Stasis - and, obviously, Genocide (despite the name, he was not the tragic nice guy you might otherwise expect) provided hours of pleasant diversion. Obviously, there were x number of other Image characters/groups that fit the V&V bill pretty much perfectly in terms of the game's ability to stat them out, including WildC.A.T.S. and Cyberforce. Just maybe, one day, it'd be an idea for me to sit down and see if some numbers and descriptors can be assigned to those long-ago series and individuals who made up their rosters...


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5285 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #97 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 6:10pm	Print Post
	Tempest wrote on Nov 9^th, 2013 at 11:59am: Thank you for the bump, DSumner (and how often do you get people complimenting you for giving them a bump?); I'd never seen this particular thread before, but the subject matter looked intriguing. Looking over previous point-outs and examples brings me back to the Summer of '93: I was doing a final course to finish off my degree (entire year's worth of material packed into three weeks; fortunately, the prof was superb and I ended up enjoying the hell out of it). However, another marker of that time was Rob Liefeld's Brigade...a work now lost in the sands of time, perhaps, but which was my guilty pleasure back in the day. What marked that series - at least the first four issues - as total V&V material, for me, was not just the characters and their respective powers and power levels - which I found to be entirely replicable within the scope of the game - but also the storyline, which was about as straightforward, bad-guys-are-comin'-to-town, stomp-'em-till-you-just-can't-stomp-no-more, make-no-apologies fun as you could ask for. Thinking about how to stat up characters like Battlestone (aka John Stone - gotta give Rob credit for pushing the boundaries there), Kayo, Seahawk, Coldsnap, Atlas, Thermal and Stasis - and, obviously, Genocide (despite the name, he was not the tragic nice guy you might otherwise expect) provided hours of pleasant diversion. Obviously, there were x number of other Image characters/groups that fit the V&V bill pretty much perfectly in terms of the game's ability to stat them out, including WildC.A.T.S. and Cyberforce. Just maybe, one day, it'd be an idea for me to sit down and see if some numbers and descriptors can be assigned to those long-ago series and individuals who made up their rosters... Tempest, I've got to agree with you. Brigade was a fun little comic, that just clicked with me, and the characters all seemed very "V&V Like" in their power levels. I personally prefer Coldsnap's original look, as to when he was transformed into the ice creature looking thing. If I get motivated, I may get around to working up some stats on them.

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Thunderbolt Justice Leaguer Offline "Justice Like Lightning!" Posts: 745 Location: Indianapolis, IN Joined: Jun 5^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #98 - Nov 10^th, 2013 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	Wow.... really? Not one mention of... Southern Knights http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Knights or The Champions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Champions_%28Hero_Universe%29 ...These were my guilty pleasures of old. Good comics on the whole.. have as many of them as I could get my hands on. Especially Southern Knights.. really liked that team.

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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Comics that convert easily to V&V Reply #99 - Nov 11^th, 2013 at 5:23am	Print Post
	I was a big fan of Brigade when it first came out, and enjoyed many of the Image titles for a short while in the early 90's. I recently re-read through the first half dozen issues or so of Brigade and thought they were solid and pretty fun. Not spectacular, but entertaining. I most definitely agree that their power levels fit very nicely in the "V&V range".


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