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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	1980's Avengers for V&V Jun 9^th, 2009 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	I'm going to post some character write ups of the Avengers from around the Byrne/Perez period, when Wondy and the Beast were Avengers.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Captain America Reply #1 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 7:15pm	Print Post
	Captain America Level: 24 Powers: Heightened Endurance: +16 Heightened Agility: +10 Heightened Defense Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with hth attacks and shield Natural Weaponry: +2, +4 with hth attacks Armor: 30 points from chainmail shirt Special Weapon: Shield: Offers 15 points of Invulnerability to front and side attacks if aware. Shield may be thrown a maximum of 60", for hth damage +1d10. May be ricocheted for multiple attack. It will return if enough movement remains. Strength: 20 Endurance: 24 Agility: 25 Intelligence: 15 Charisma: 25 Hit points: 58 Power points: 84 HTH damage: 1d10 Notes: At this point Cap lost his super strength, but was working hard to maintain some of it. Also, I have a house rule where you add your level to your detect hidden and danger rolls.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #2 - Jun 9^th, 2009 at 10:30pm	Print Post
	Is there a maximum number of attacks per turn, that can be made with his shield?

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #3 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 9:56am	Print Post
	I would think that it's limited by movement, and played according to the multiple attack rules. I should mention that I'm focussing on this era because: a) the late 70's / early 80's Avengers were my favorite line up. b) this was the lineup when I started playing V&V. More to come.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #4 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 11:12am	Print Post
	DF, who are you planning on posting next? I'm waiting to see what you come up with for the Scarlet Witch's power.

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #5 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 12:16pm	Print Post
	I aims to do them all, save Thor who I don't should be playable. I'll start easy and work my way up to the tough ones. Next up, Hank McCoy...


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #6 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	The Beast Level: 18 Powers: Heightened Strength B: +20 Heightened Endurance B: +18 Heightened Agility B: +28 Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with all unarmed hth attacks Strength: 31 Endurance: 28 Agility: 35 Intelligence: 24 Charisma: 18 Hit points: 208 ! Power points: 118 HTH damage: 2d8 Notes: The Prejudice Weakness that plagues mutants in the Marvel universe never really came into play much in this stretch of the Avengers, almost like Hank had been washed clean by joining them. As a tangent, in other discussions on other sites I read an idea that if the original X-Men were players, the model for rolling them up would be: 1-3 Powers (reflecting their mutant ability of course) 1-2 Skills (reflecting all that time in the danger room) Predjudice: mutant So: Cyclops: Power Blast and Heightened Attack (as listed on this site) Iceman: Icepowers and Speed Bonus (ice ramp travel) Beast: Stat increases of the 3d10 variety from the Powers chart, and Heightened Expertise from the skill chart Angel: Wings and Natural Weaponry (all plus Prejudice of course) Never had the chance to forge a team like that, with a unifying theme. Kinda cool.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #7 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	Next up, the Vision! Some ideas here were formulated by my old group.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #8 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	Yo, yo, yo. I'm thinkin' I'd still give Cap heightened strength because it's part of his origin story. Drinks a potion and gets instant muscle! I remember readin' somewhere that some gamers say he started out with red. strength. In V&V, that'd mean he still has it--just with heightened strength--putting his score in the high-normal range (since I think he could lift about 800 lbs.) at the time. Just my thoughts. Not startin' an argument or anything! Chill.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #9 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 5:02pm	Print Post
	Yo, yo, yo. I like how you mentioned the Beast losin' the anti-mutant prejudice. In a way, even though becoming blue was part of an enhanced mutation experiment gone bad, it helped make his upgraded origin more a result of a scientific experiment gone awry than a natural-born mutation. In a similar way, the Scarlet Witch trained to become a quasi-sorceress to better influence her powers, also distancing herself from her inherent mutant abilities. So in a way, mutants who joined the Avengers ended up becoming less-mutant than before (distinguishing themselves form the X-bunch).
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #10 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 5:14pm	Print Post
	The Vision Level: 15 Powers: Android Body: -Heightened Endurance +10 -Thermo-Optic Blast: range 20", PR: 2 per shot, 2d8 damage, attacks as better of Flame or Light. Heightened Strength: +10 Heightened Intelligence: +15 Life Support: No PR Disruption Attack: hth attack, PR: 3 per disruption, Damage: HTH x 2, all damage is taken from hit points. Bypasses armor and invulnerability in most cases. Usable only when in Density 1 or 2. Density Control: Density may be altered with movement. PR: 1 per increment change. Then pay power equal to the current Density in between turns. Density Increments: 1: weightless, move: 66" or flight, carry cap. 0, hth: disruption only, Non-corporeal. 2: weight: 170, move: 66" or flight, carry cap. 1498, hth: 1d10 or disruption, Invulnerability: 5 3: weight: 340, move: 33", carry cap. 2996, hth: 1d12, Invulnerability: 10 4: weight: 680, move: 16", carry cap. 5992, hth: 2d8, Invulnerability: 15 5: weight: 1,360, move: 8", carry cap. 11,984, hth: 2d10, Invulnerability: 20 6: weight: 2,720, move: 4", carry cap. 23,968, hth: 3d10, Invulnerability: 25 7: weight: 5,440, move: 2", carry cap. 47,936, hth: 4d10, Invulnerability: 30 8: weight: 10,880, move: 1", carry cap. 95,872, hth: 5d10, Invulnerability: 35 Note: Hit Points and Agility do not change by increment. Strength: 25 Endurance: 20 Agility: 21 Intelligence: 30 Charisma: 18 Hit points: 66 Power points: 96 HTH damage: by Density Increment
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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #11 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 6:35pm	Print Post
	great work! Pretty much my favorite era for the Avengers as you can see in my Comic Run List. Will you write up Jarvis?

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #12 - Jun 10^th, 2009 at 6:54pm	Print Post



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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #13 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 9:48am	Print Post
	Hawkeye Level: 18 Powers: Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with Bow Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with all attacks (including Bow!) Heightened Defense Natural Weaponry: +1, +2 with hth attacks Armor: 30 points from chainmail shirt Special Weapon: Bow and Arrows: Range: 100". Quiver holds 26 arrows. +4 to hit. · Blast Arrow: 2" x 2" area: all take 2d10 damage · Tangler Arrow: 3” x 3” net. All struck targets who fail % save on Agility are tangled, and must use action to cause 11 points of damage to net to untangle. · Flash Arrow: 2” radius. All struck targets must save vs. Intelligence on d20 or are blind 1-2 turns. · Sonic Arrow: All struck targets, within 1” of arrow’s line of flight, take d12 damage · Cable Arrow: Magnetic/ suction tip adheres to any surface. 20” cable · Dum Dum Arrow: HTH+d10 · Smoke Arrow: Creates 2” radius of smoke. All within radius are in darkness. Strength: 18 Endurance: 18 Agility: 21 Intelligence: 15 Charisma: 15 Hit points: 37 Power points: 72 HTH damage: 1d8


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #14 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 9:49am	Print Post
	SuperFriend wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 4:57pm: Yo, yo, yo. I'm thinkin' I'd still give Cap heightened strength because it's part of his origin story. Drinks a potion and gets instant muscle! I remember readin' somewhere that some gamers say he started out with red. strength. In V&V, that'd mean he still has it--just with heightened strength--putting his score in the high-normal range (since I think he could lift about 800 lbs.) at the time. Just my thoughts. Not startin' an argument or anything! Chill. Good point! Thanks.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #15 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 4:00pm	Print Post
	This thread gave me an idea... check out my thread on levels and legends.

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #16 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 9:51pm	Print Post
	Wonder Man Level: 8 Powers: Heightened Strength B x 3: +79 Invulnerability: 25 points Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with unarmed hth Body Power: Altered Physiology: -allows saves against certain attacks and effects, GM's discretion. -acts as Life Support without the defense. No PR. Flight Device: Belt Rockets: 75 mph maximum Strength: 90 Endurance: 20 Agility: 18 Intelligence: 11 Charisma: 11 Hit points: 107 Power points: 139 HTH damage: 5d10 Notes: The lower Charisma indicates Simon's lack of confidence at this period EDITED: to add John's suggestion. Thanks!
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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #17 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 9:56pm	Print Post
	Doesn't Wonder Man not need to breath or eat? I seem to remember reading that.

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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #18 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	These are really cool! Don't know if you're plannin' on postin' Jocasta but I'd give the grrl Prejudice up the wazoo. And low agility too. Man, she's always the last one to attack in a group. I think Beast was about the only one who gave the child the time of day. But he was nice to Wondy too. Speaking of which, I like how you handled his altered physiology. It also explains those red eyes that he had to keep hidden. Kinda like Cyclops but without the optic blasts! No matter how low his charisma might be, Wondy could pull off sunglasses like none-other. And somehow he managed to make his red coat work! And Perez made the guy look hot!
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #19 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:16pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 9:56pm: Doesn't Wonder Man not need to breath or eat? I seem to remember reading that. Did that come later, when they played up his energy-ness? I don't recall now. SF: Thanks. You're dead right about Jocasta. Either Prejudice or low Cha. Y'know she might have been the Avengers' animated servant.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #20 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:19pm	Print Post
	I think it was mentioned in the 160s when the Avengers first encounterd the Gaurdians of the Galaxy. They said that he wouldn't need a spacesuit, but why take the chance.

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #21 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:20pm	Print Post
	Sounds like Life Support. I'll throw in it, in an edit. Thanks. I was focussed on the fact that Rogue couldn't copy his powers in what was one of the top three stories of that mighty run.
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #22 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:25pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:16pm: John wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 9:56pm: Doesn't Wonder Man not need to breath or eat? I seem to remember reading that. SF: Thanks. You're dead right about Jocasta. Either Prejudice or low Cha. Y'know she might have been the Avengers' animated servant. She and Jarvis, my friend. She and Jarvis.


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #23 - Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:31pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jun 11^th, 2009 at 10:20pm: Sounds like Life Support. I'll throw in it, in an edit. Thanks. I was focussed on the fact that Rogue couldn't copy his powers in what was one of the top three stories of that mighty run. Was that in Avengers Annual 10?

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #24 - Jun 12^th, 2009 at 9:48am	Print Post
	Yeah. Perfect issue, except the cover! I was never a fan of Milgrom.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #25 - Jun 13^th, 2009 at 9:59am	Print Post
	The Scarlet Witch Level: 18 Powers: Magical Spells: -Hex Bolt: Attacks as Power Blast. 2d8 damage. 20" range. PR: 2 per shot. -Hex Sphere: 5" radius maximum, front and side only. Otherwise as per Force Field, defense only. -Hex Power: May alter probability. PR: minimum of 4 per use. Roll d4 against Hex Chart to determine result. For each additional Power Point spent while casting, Wanda may move result by one increment on chart. Attacks as better of Gravity Control or Transmutation. Hex Power Chart: 1) Environmental mishap: d10 damage to target 2) Next attack / power use of target alters to No Effect 3) Environmental mishap: 2d10 damage to target 4) Random power of target suddenly activates / deactivates 5) Next attack / power use of target doubles back on target 6) Environmental mishap: 3d10 damage to targetted 2" x 2" area 7) Environmental mishap: 4d10 damage to targetted 3" x 3" area 8) Player determines effect! Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with Hex Power Strength: 15 Endurance: 18 Agility: 18 Intelligence: 18 Charisma: 20 Hit points: 23 Power points: 69 HTH damage: d6 Notes: Another mutant Avenger whose Prejudice doesn't come into play much. In the comics, her Hex Power is 'random,' but she can sorta steer it with effort, hence the above approach.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #26 - Jun 16^th, 2009 at 1:54pm	Print Post
	Please pardon the delay but I'm working on Iron Man.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #27 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	Iron Man Level: 20 Powers: Heightened Intelligence: +15 Armor B: 120 points. 100 charges, with the following built in devices: a) Adaptation Device: 1 charge per hour or defense. b) Flight Device: 100 mph. 4 charges per hour of flight. c) Invulnerability: Structural Invulnerability of 10 (Iron). No cost. d) Repulsor Ray: Attacks as better of Power Blast or Magnetic Powers. d20 damage. 20" range. Costs 2 charges per shot. e) Heightened Senses: Sensors: Range: 500". Provides most forms of data and gives +20% to detect hidden and danger when applicable. 1 Charge per hour. f) Absorption: Energy absorber: Stark can replenish Armor charges from any energy source. Amount recharged is determined by source and GM. g) Gadgets: Any device/power that Stark's player wants to have, can be had if a successful Inventing Roll occurs. If the player succeeds, then Stark had previously invented the desired device and built it in beforehand. Whether the roll succeeds or not, lose one Inventing Point. Use Cost: Power point cost of superpower in Charges. Minimum 2 charges per use. Damage as per power listing. This covers off all the many, rarely used effects of Iron Man's armor: Rocket skates, Uni-beam, Vario-beam, Buzz saw, Deflector beam, Image producer, Magnetic suction discs, Diamond edge saw, etc., etc., etc.! h) Heightened Strength Booster: Movement to boost. See chart: Strength Increments: 1: Cost: 10 charges. Duration: 32 turns. Carry Capacity: 1920 lbs. HTH Damage: 1d10. 2: Cost: 12 charges. Duration: 16 turns. Carry Capacity: 3840 lbs. HTH Damage: 1d12. 3: Cost: 16 charges. Duration: 8 turns. Carry Capacity: 7680 lbs. HTH Damage: 2d8. 4: Cost: 20 charges. Duration: 4 turns. Carry Capacity: 15,360 lbs. HTH Damage: 2d10. 5: Cost: 30 charges. Duration: 2 turns. Carry Capacity: 30,720 lbs. HTH Damage: 3d10. 1% chance of short circuit. 6: Cost: 40 charges. Duration: 1 turns. Carry Capacity: 61,440 lbs. HTH Damage: 4d10. 3% chance of short circuit. 7: Cost: 50 charges. Duration: 15 phases. Carry Capacity: 122,880 lbs. HTH Damage: 5d10. 6% chance of short circuit. 8: Cost: 60 charges. Duration: 8 phases. Carry Capacity: 245,760 lbs. HTH Damage: 6d10. 12% chance of short circuit. 9: Cost: 70 charges. Duration: 4 phases. Carry Capacity: 491,520 lbs. HTH Damage: 7d10. 24% chance of short circuit. 10: Cost: 80 charges. Duration: 2 phases. Carry Capacity: 983,040 lbs. HTH Damage: 8d10. 45% chance of short circuit. 11: Cost: 90 charges. Duration: 1 phase. Carry Capacity: 1,966,080 lbs. HTH Damage: 9d10. 90% chance of short circuit. Note: Hit Points do not change by increment. Strength: 18 Endurance: 12 Agility: 21 Intelligence: 30 Charisma: 21 Hit points: 34 Power points: 81 HTH damage: d8 Notes: Structural Invulnerability is as per the rules. So Stark can ignore any attack of 10 or less points of damage. But if 11 or more points of damage is inflicted, then none of it is ignored by Structural Invulnerability. Stark's alcoholism and bad heart don't get much play in the Avengers during this period. And a big thanks to John for solving the endless gadgets for me, with your Magic Spells/Psionics posts!
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #28 - Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 11:57pm	Print Post
	Very clear and playable Ironman post. Yer right about his weaknesses bein' AWOL during this time. The retroactive gadgets power was a good idea for Iron Man. No joke--I was thinkin' about givin' Batman somethin' along those lines. The "watch me pull a rabbit out of a hat" approach to inventin' devices isn't hard-core V&V, but it's a solid way of describin' the Golden Avenger.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #29 - Jun 23^rd, 2009 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	Thanks. You're right. I think it's perfect for Batman's utility belt. I think that's all of the main Avengers of this era, save Thor. I might have a think about Quicksilver and poor Jocasta.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #30 - Jun 23^rd, 2009 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	It'd be cool to see Falcon (before Hawks replaced him) and Ms. Marvel (who replaced Scarlet Wtich)--along w/Wasp. Ev'rybody forgets about Wasp. Quicksilver'd be the greatest, though.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #31 - Jun 24^th, 2009 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	OK Quicksilver it is. PS: The Falcon in the Avengers reminds me of that scene when Gyrich names the new Avengers lineup and as he does, the art shows the hero he's just named. The last name he reads is "The Falcon" and we see Hawkeye yell "The What?!"


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #32 - Jul 5^th, 2009 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	DF, when do we get to see more write-ups?

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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #33 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 12:30pm	Print Post
	Quicksilver will be here in a flash, so to speak. Then I might try Yellowjacket.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #34 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 12:45pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jul 6^th, 2009 at 12:30pm: Quicksilver will be here in a flash, so to speak. Then I might try Yellowjacket. Yellowjacket rules!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #35 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	Quicksilver Level: 15 Powers: Heightened Speed: +900" per turn. +30 to initiative. Heightened Agility B: +15 Heightened Defense: -4 to hit Quicksilver when he is aware and mobile. Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with fists Special: Pietro has trained to use his Speed powers in the following ways: -Quicksilver may run on vertical surfaces, and on water. -Quicksilver may generate mini-tornadoes at a cost of one action. This wind effect does damage to targets equal to the Velocity Damage equivalent for inches of movement expended in the attack. There is an area of effect: for every inch away from the center, reduce one bracket for damage. Reduced Charisma: -6. This reflects Pietro often acting as a hothead, bigot and all around Grade A jerk, and the deserved response that behavior garnered. Strength: 15 Endurance: 15 Agility: 30 Intelligence: 15 Charisma: 8 Hit points: 37 Power points: 75 HTH damage: 1d6 Notes: Maximum ground speed is 218 mph. The V&V weakness, Prejudice, is mostly ignored with this Marvel mutant during his stay with the Avengers. People that dislike Pietro do so for real reasons.
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #36 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 1:12pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jul 6^th, 2009 at 12:56pm: Strength: 15 HTH damage: 1d6 Shoot! And all this time I thought Q'silver woulda been at least as strong as Tony Stark (St: 18, Dam. 1d8) out-ta uniform. I guess he ain't as in shape as he looks. Who knew?
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #37 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 1:17pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jun 13^th, 2009 at 9:59am: Strength: 15 Endurance: 15 Man, oh, man. And the domesticated goddess that is the Scarlet Witch (Str. 15, End. 18) has got herself equal strength and higher Endurance than her runner's body brother. And all this time I thought he was the poster boy of physical fitness in dat family. Color me clueless.
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #38 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 5:37pm	Print Post
	Just to clarify--I really like these write-ups. Not tryin' to give no one a hard time w/my remarks. One thing that is clear in my mind is that V&V could-a used some more guidelines when it came to super speed. Seems like alll the best-known speedsters--like Quicksilver above--need some extra rules t/explain their powers. And we all know that Vibratory Powers don't always make due!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #39 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	Yeah, I toyed with giving Quicksilver an 18 Endurance, but then I thought: Heightened Speed doesn't mean a boost to Endurance. And I never saw Quicksilver as being particularly strong or durable, at least in this era. If you were unhappy with that, wait'll you see my take on Yellowjacket!
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jul 6^th, 2009 at 5:39pm: If you were unhappy with that, wait'll you see my take on Yellowjacket! Wasn't complainin'. Lookin' forward to humble Hank Pym!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #41 - Jul 6^th, 2009 at 6:50pm	Print Post
	I know it's a cliche, but I really did laugh audibly when I read "humble Hank Pym." PS: I modified Pietro's level as an EDIT.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #42 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	Yellowjacket Level: 19 Powers: Heightened Intelligence: +15 Size Change Smaller: PR: 2 and movement to change size. No cost to return to normal size. Height Factor of 72 makes Pym harder to hit at this size, and harder to see. Pym retains his normal hit points and carrying capacity in smaller size, and gains +8 to his initiative. Wings Device: 330" per turn. 90mph. 1 charge per hour or use. 10 charges. Stingers: Disrupter blast devices in gloves: Range: 30". Damage: 2d8 +2. Attacks as better of Sonics or Vibratory. Cost: 1 charge per blast. 16 charges. Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit with fist Phobia/Psychosis: Hank Pym is insecure about his effectiveness and role as a superhero.* Strength: 15 Endurance: 18 Agility: 18 (26 initiative at smaller size) Intelligence: 29 Charisma: 15 Hit points: 37 Power points: 80 HTH damage: 1d8 Notes: *A side effect of Pym's weakness is his need to keep reinventing himself with new powers: Ant Man to Giant Man to Goliath to Yellowjacket. It also makes him reject incredibly useful powers like Size Change Larger.
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #43 - Jul 7^th, 2009 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	Excellent Hank Pym. I wonder how his weakness came into play when he "accidentally" invented Ultron and "accidentally" killed Egghead--and when he married a debutante who BLATANTLY flirted w/other guys in front of his face before he lost his mind and became Yellowjacket. It's funny cuz Wasp reinvents herself by changing wardrobes; Hank reinvents himself by reinventin' his powers. As an aside: I wonder if Hawkeye has a similar defect, since he threw out his arrows for a time to become Goliath II, then went back to usin' them again. And he can be just as difficult and bigot-minded as ol' Quicksilver.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #44 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 3:30pm	Print Post
	SuperFriend wrote on Jul 7^th, 2009 at 8:33pm: Excellent Hank Pym. I wonder how his weakness came into play when he "accidentally" invented Ultron and "accidentally" killed Egghead--and when he married a debutante who BLATANTLY flirted w/other guys in front of his face before he lost his mind and became Yellowjacket. It's funny cuz Wasp reinvents herself by changing wardrobes; Hank reinvents himself by reinventin' his powers. As an aside: I wonder if Hawkeye has a similar defect, since he threw out his arrows for a time to become Goliath II, then went back to usin' them again. And he can be just as difficult and bigot-minded as ol' Quicksilver. Thanks. Poor Hank... You're right! I agree about Hawkeye. I think he had around a 7 Charisma when he joined the Avengers. Ex-con, devil's advocate who was undermining Cap's authority. But over time, he outgrew it and increased his Charisma.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #45 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 7:23pm	Print Post
	Dr. Foom gave me permission to post these rough outlines of the oft overlooked Falcon and Wasp. FALCON Level: 8 1. Wings Device 2. Natural Weaponry (skill): +2 to hit, +4 damage 3. Pet: Redwing his pet falcon is relatively useless at this point Basic Hits: 5 ST: 18 EN: 18 AG: 18 IN: 15 CH: 12 (Maybe 15.) He has low self-esteem at the time. Hit Mod. (1.6)(2.2)(1.9)(1.2) = 8.0256 Hit Points: 41 Power Points:69 Accuracy: +3 Damage Mod.: +3 Basic HTH Damage: 1d8 WASP Level: 15 1. Size Change/Smaller: see Yellowjacket 2. Stingers: see Yellowjacket 3. Wings: PR =1 per hour. 4: Special Requirement: must shrink down to at least 3-feet tall for Wings to appear Basic Hits: 3 ST: 12 EN: 15 AG: 18 (26 initiative at smaller size) IN: 12. (arguably 15.) She doesn't seem overly intelligent in the Avengers at this point. CH: 15 Hit Mod. (1.2)(1.8)(1.9)(1.1) =4.51444 Hit Points: 14 Power Points: 57 Accuracy: +3 Damage: +2 Basic HTH: 1d4


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #46 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	Nice jobs. Jocasta! Jocasta!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #47 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 9:58pm	Print Post
	Either of you planing on taking a crack at Iron Man?

	"There is no such things as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men." "Nemo me impune lacessit"
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #48 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 10:04pm	Print Post
	You sure know how to hurt a guy! He's in Reply 27 of this thread.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #49 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 10:07pm	Print Post
	PS: SuperFriend wrote on Jul 8^th, 2009 at 7:23pm: the oft overlooked Falcon and Wasp. Guilty as charged.


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #50 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 10:53pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jul 8^th, 2009 at 10:04pm: You sure know how to hurt a guy! He's in Reply 27 of this thread. Oops...I missed him somehow.

	"There is no such things as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men." "Nemo me impune lacessit"
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #51 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 10:54pm	Print Post
	After gettin' Dr. Foom's feedback, here's Jocasta. JOCASTA Level: 4 1. Robotic Body: 40% human appearance, with Heightened Strength: +20, Weight x 5 2. Invulnerability: 25 points 3. Body Power: eye beams, similar to vision 4. Heightened Senses: exceptional sight/hearing, x4 detection rolls, etc. 5. Prejudice: -1 reactions from everyone Weight: 775 lbs. (based on Marvel references) Basic Hits: 16 Agility Mod.: -4 Strength: 35 (lifts about 10 tons) Endurance: 18 Agility: 11 (almost always the last to attack) Intelligence: 18 Charisma: 12 Hit Mod. (2.6)(2.2)(1.0)(1.3) = 7.438 Hit Points: 120 Power: 82 Accuracy: -- Damage Mod.: +1 Basic HTH Damage: 3d10
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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #52 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 11:00pm	Print Post
	Yeah, Jocasta really got the short end of the stick. She was pretty much treated like garbage by everyone.

	"There is no such things as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men." "Nemo me impune lacessit"
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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #53 - Jul 8^th, 2009 at 11:23pm	Print Post
	Yeah, I agree. She is being used a bit "ahem" differently in the Mighty Avengers these days.

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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #54 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 12:25am	Print Post
	Even I must be prejudice against her. I had to go back and double her hit points to 120. Originally I gave her only 8 basic hits, but with her weight she gets 16 basic hits (and now 120 hit points)! It's funny cuz originally they didn't like Jocasta because she was built by Ultron. But the Avengers also were uncomfortable around her becuase her voice/personality was patterned after Wasp's, which gave everybody the creeps. And Vision wouldn't give the poor grrl the time of day when she needed a confidant, basically actin' like there was such a HUGE difference between a synthezoid and a robot. Basically everyone acted like a snob around her. I remember at her funeral when newcomer Captain Marvel seemed to think highly of Jocasta. Must be because they never met!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #55 - Jul 9^th, 2009 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Nice job on Jocasta. Thanks!


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #56 - Jul 10^th, 2009 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	Are you gonna post Ms. Marvel? Next to Phoenix, she had to be the hottest thing at Marvel Comics at the time!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #57 - Jul 11^th, 2009 at 5:25am	Print Post
	I second Ms. Marvel, and want to through in a vote for the the Beast, Moon Dragon, and Guardians of the Galaxy (as they were semi-official members the team). Ahhh...good memories.

	"There is no such things as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men." "Nemo me impune lacessit"
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #58 - Jul 11^th, 2009 at 9:51am	Print Post
	I'll post Ms. Marvel next. Then I think I might do the FF circa John Byrne's run, as well as Spidey before the clone saga. Perhaps in a new thread. Then I would come back around to the Guardians and others. Beast was already done in this thread.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #59 - Jul 11^th, 2009 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	When you're done, are you going to do a showdown between the various teams. That would be sweet!


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #60 - Jul 12^th, 2009 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	Hey Dr. Foom, Fer starters, I agree that Hawkeye's charisma was low when he started, and that it rose--but I have a few questions. First, ye keep callin' him an ex-con. I know Iron Man mistook him as a criminal at first (just like half of all Marvel characters mistake each other for crooks at first), but I thought that was a misunderstandin'--it was Hawkeye's mentors, not him, who were the crooks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawkeye_(comics) Also, in another thread you had him startin' out w/reduced charisma. Like I say, he definitely had charisma on the low side at first. But w/reduced charisma you can't raise it from 7 to 15. What separates the weakness in game terms is that it prevents characters from raisin' the score more than 3 points. Maybe the rules changed in a supplemental resource that I missed. To recap: Hawks might have raised his charisma from 7 to 15, but that would mean he just started out w/charisma on the low side--not reduced charisma. And if Hawks really is an ex-con, could you get back to me w/the issues. I'd be interestin' to see early Clint Barton in jail.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #61 - Jul 12^th, 2009 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	Hawkeye's criminal past was in the link you provided. I quote: "Hawkeye was introduced as a reluctant villain in Tales of Suspense #57 (September 1964)" I was saying "ex-con" when I should have said "ex-crook." And he either used inventing points to buy off the weakness (similar to something in my house rules that would allow this) or never had Reduced Charisma, just a low Charisma to start with. Sorry for the confusion. Which thread had me giving Hawkeye Reduced Charisma? I don't dispute it. Just wondering where it was. I feel like I should keep better track of my opinions here, to be more consistent in them.
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #62 - Jul 12^th, 2009 at 8:18pm	Print Post
	In the bare bones thread you listed him w/reduced charisma. But yer right, he did act like a criminal for a while too. Anyway, I wasn't tryin' to start a fight--just wonderin' if I'd missed somethin' on how the weakness worked. Not up on everyone's house rules and such. Didn't mean to throw yer words back at-cha, my man. Someday yo gots to tell us if you got an M.D. or a Ph.D. or some other advanced degree. Peace!
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #63 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	Thor! Thor!! Thor!!! (c'mon SF!)


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #64 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 11:09pm	Print Post
	Hey Doc Foom! Feel free to adapt the draft Thor I sent. His hits and BHTHD and strength score will have to be altered dependin' on how heavy and tough ye see the character at the time. (I'm up w/yer approach that Marvel made a mistake sayin' that the god of thunder weighs 600+ lbs., so use whatever weight fits.) I notice that you got Wondy doing 5d10 BHTHD (liftin' about 50-60 tons, I guess). I'm cool w/dat. If ye want Thor in that range, dat's cool. If he's stronger, based on yer take of the Avenger at the time, dat's cool too. By keepin' his weight lower, ye can give him only -2 Agility mod., easily placin' his Agility at 16 and such. And if ye like my suggestiion of givin him Lowered Intelligence: -3 as Thor (as compared to an 18 intelligence as Dr. Blake), go ahead. I want to be respectful of yer take on the character, and don't want to post a draft that doesn't match yer approach--especially I'm not too tied to the guy. I just thought it might be fun to see what he might be like in game terms.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #65 - Jul 14^th, 2009 at 11:31pm	Print Post
	OK, I'll post the slightly tweaked version of your great Thor writeup ... but I can't do it til next week! I'm going on vacation. Talk about suspense! Have a good week everyone. PS: I thought Thor couldn't be written up, but SF showed me the error of my ways. I shouldn't be surprised. SF wrote up Superman!
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #66 - Jul 15^th, 2009 at 12:01am	Print Post
	Have a good vacation, Dr. Foom! Avengers Assemble!!!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #67 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 10:00pm	Print Post
	OK, here comes Thor. This is 99% SuperFriend's work here:


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #68 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Thor Level: 21 Powers: 1. Transformation/Power Activation: Dr. Donald Blake requires one action to become Thor, and must hit his walking stick on the ground to do it. 2. Body Power: "god." Thor ages very slowly, and is immune to conventional disease 3. Heightened Strength B (x3): + 70 4. Heightened Endurance B: +25 5. Invulnerability: 15 points (not as tough as Wondy) 6. Heightened Expertise: +4 w/hammer 7. Special Weapon: Mjolnir, the Mystic Uru Hammer. Thor can use Mjolnir as a HTH or thrown weapon (+3 to hit, damage = HTH + 2d10), and it automatically returns to him at the end of the turn (unless blocked by mystical / extradimensional or other means). No one may lift/hold the hammer unless they are worthy. There can only be one owner of the hammer at a time. This magic weapon also provides: A) Flight B) Weather Control C) Dimensional Travel: May travel to the Nine Realms (Midgard, Asgard, Jotenheim, Hel, Vanaheim, etc.) Weaknesses: 1. Special Requirement: If Thor's hammer is out of his hand for more than one minute, he returns to Donald Blake. 2. Lowered Intelligence: -3. Thor's no dummy, but he doesn't have Don Blake's 18 Intelligence. Weight: 240 lbs. Basic Hits: 5 Agility Mod.: -2 Strength: 90 Endurance: 40 Agility: 16 Intelligence: 15 Charisma: 21 Hit Mod. (6.4)(5.0)(1.6)(1.2) = 61.44 Hit Points: 307 Power Points: 161 Accuracy: +2, +9 w/Mjolnir Damage Mod.: +2 Carry Cap: 87,960 Basic HTH Damage: 5d10 Notes: -The Lowered Intelligence weakness is inspired work, SF. Later, during Simonsen’s run, Thor’s Intelligence seems to fall to 12! -The notion that Thor weighs over 600 lbs. (as per the Marvel Universe comics) never rang true for me. Hulk, sure. But Thor?
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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #69 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 10:30pm	Print Post
	Looks good. And I completely agree w/ya that Thor never seemed like he wuz s/posed to weight 3 times as much as he looked. I also agree w/ya usin' 170 lbs. as the approx. standard weight for Vision instead of 300 lbs. (which he's been listed at in some official write-ups). I'm okay usin' Jocasta's official weight at 600+ lbs. because, well, she's made of metal! Here's a side note about character weights. In my Super Friends translations, I've been basically usin' their official DC weights (just roundin' up or down to the nearest 10 lbs.). Not a big problem until I got to Aquaman because his Who's Who entries list him and Aqualad w/extra dense bodies (makin' Aquaman 100 lbs. heavier than Superman). Aquaman's extra dense/strudy body isn't something I remember ever comin' up on the cartoon. But I decided to give him that attribute anyway because it didn't seem to disrupt things too much havin' him w/7 basic hits instead of 5 basic hits. If ya get to Ms. Danvers--and I hope ya do!!!--I'm interested in readin' yer take on her "seventh sense." I don't remember it ever comin' up in the Avengers (and Rogue didn't even have it for a while after gettin' Ms. Marvel's powers), so I'm not exactly sure how it wuz supposed to work.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #70 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 10:45pm	Print Post
	She's next. I'm finishing researching her now. Her seventh sense is precognition. It comes into play early in her arrival into the Avengers, against Ultron. Agree with Aquaman being extra dense. Nice writeup on your site.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #71 - Jul 20^th, 2009 at 11:22pm	Print Post
	BTW: I owe you an apology big time. I went back and started lookin' through some of those mighty issues circa 1979 and you wuz right on target w/Quicksilver's stats. The boy looks downright sickly at times. Wanda was definitely healthier than her could-use-a-protein-shake brother!


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dsumner Justice Leaguer Offline Oppresser of worlds Posts: 5284 Location: On High Joined: Apr 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #72 - Jul 21^st, 2009 at 10:43am	Print Post
	Nice simple write-up for Thor, and more importantly, it works.

	"There is no such things as a dangerous weapon, only dangerous men." "Nemo me impune lacessit"
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #73 - Jul 21^st, 2009 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	SuperFriend wrote on Jul 20^th, 2009 at 11:22pm: BTW: I owe you an apology big time. I went back and started lookin' through some of those mighty issues circa 1979 and you wuz right on target w/Quicksilver's stats. The boy looks downright sickly at times. Wanda was definitely healthier than her could-use-a-protein-shake brother! No problem. Here comes Ms. Marvel!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #74 - Jul 21^st, 2009 at 2:16pm	Print Post
	Ms. Marvel Level: 7 Powers: Heightened Strength B (x2): +45 Heightened Endurance B: +10 Heightened Agility: +5 Invulnerability: 15 points Heightened Expertise: Carol has the memories of a trained Kree warrior. +4 to hit in unarmed combat. Flight: 1426 mph Heightened Senses: Carol’s “Seventh Sense” is an uncontrolled form of precognition. She receives flashes of what is occurring in the present or what will occur in the near future at the GM’s discretion. She also gains Detect Danger X 3. Weight: 130 lbs Basic Hits: 3 Strength: 62 Endurance: 23 Agility: 22 Intelligence: 17 Charisma: 18 Hit Mod. (4.4)(2.6)(2.2)(1.2) = 30.2016 Hit Points: 91 Power Points: 124 Accuracy: +4, +8 unarmed Damage Mod.: +2 Carry Capacity: 15,641 lbs Basic HTH Damage: 3d10 Notes: -Carol Danvers’ original amnesia is not a plot point in this period with the Avengers. In 1981, in Avengers Annual 10, she gets amnesia for a new reason. -She’s very strong but clearly shown to have less strength than Wondy.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #75 - Jul 27^th, 2009 at 7:11pm	Print Post
	Well, that about wraps up the Avengers for me. I'm going to take a stab at the other Marvel legends next, from about the same time period: -The FF at the time of Byrne's run -Pre-Clone Saga Spider-Man -Miller's Daredevil I'll just do this in the existing thread for character conversions. See you there. Thanks everyone!
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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #76 - Aug 21^st, 2009 at 2:17pm	Print Post
	Great work! These were fun to read through. Excellent job by all involved!


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #77 - Aug 25^th, 2009 at 10:08am	Print Post
	Thanks. This reminds me, I wanted to take a stab at Miller's ninja-y Daredevil.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #78 - Aug 30^th, 2009 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	Hey DFoom, I just realized that you gave Tony Stark (sans armor) the same Strength and Agility scres as Hawkeye--a professional athlete. Does Tony really lift 700 pounds on his own (w/out his armor)? I had no idea he was a body builder. Does he really have cat-like reflexes on his own? This is amazing! What issues does he use these mega-athletic prowess? I'd love to see those issues!!! Strength: 18 Agility: 21 Dat said, Daredevil would be fun to see.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #79 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 10:26am	Print Post
	Hey SuperFrenemy, Those are Stark's stats IN the armor, obviously. I haven't posted Stark out of the armor, but he wouldn't be too far behind. During the Layton/Romita Jr. period he becomes aware that he's a lightweight out of the armor and hits the gym and karate classes.
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Guardian7 Avenger Offline VOLCANO MAN!!! Posts: 413 Location: Jackson, Michigan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #80 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 10:53am	Print Post
	Any chance you could do Captain Mar'vell, Black Widow, Hercules and Black Panther? G7


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #81 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 11:03am	Print Post
	Gladly! I'll put them in the que.


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SuperFriend Teen Titan Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 158 Joined: Jun 9^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #82 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Aug 31^st, 2009 at 10:26am: Hey SuperFrenemy, Those are Stark's stats IN the armor, obviously. I haven't posted Stark out of the armor, but he wouldn't be too far behind. During the Layton/Romita Jr. period he becomes aware that he's a lightweight out of the armor and hits the gym and karate classes. Dat is why I asked. Normally, if armored stats are higher than unarmored, the write-up lists those stats as heightened abilities under the armor. Dat's how I've seen it done in the modules, beginnin' w/ FIST in Crisis at Crusader Citadel. That way, we can deconstruct the unarmored stats by substractin' the modifiers built into the armor. Since you didn't do that, I had to ask if Tony had 18 Strength and 21 Agility on his own. And since you've maxed out stats on many high level characters, it wasn't "obvious" that you didn't intend to give Tony an 18 strength. BTW: I don't appreciate bein' called "Superenemy" fer askin' a question--especially since you've thanked me for questions and errors I've pointed out in some of yer write-ups before. That's what forums iz for. In some of yer first posts you waz callin' someone else yer archenemy and such, datz not how I work.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #83 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	It wasn't for asking a question. It was for the snark. You said yourself you were worried you were becoming a troll. I sometimes worry too. Don't be that guy! Daredevil is up next, but he's not an Avenger. I'll put him in the other thread. Peace!


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John Galactus Offline The Master Cylinder Posts: 6693 Location: Selden Joined: Apr 11^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #84 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 5:56pm	Print Post
	I would love to see Captain Mar Vell.

	I am scary, very, very scary.
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Guardian7 Avenger Offline VOLCANO MAN!!! Posts: 413 Location: Jackson, Michigan Joined: Aug 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #85 - Aug 31^st, 2009 at 9:57pm	Print Post
	Did you ever post Jarvis? or the Scott Lang/Ant-Man? I would also love to see your take on that snotty Moondragon and speaking of girls... Thundra since she appeared in the Avengers Annual where Hank/Jan become Dr Spectrum. Great issue... loved the fight between Ms Marvel and Thundra. That issue alone shows what a skilled fighter Ms Marvel is, because she was totally outclassed strength-wise by Thundra and Thundra is not slacker in the knuckles department. In the end I believe it was a draw. Yes... I know Thundra isn't an Avengers character... but she shined better there and in Marvel Two-n-One, than she ever did in the FF. G7


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #86 - Sep 1^st, 2009 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Guardian7 wrote on Aug 31^st, 2009 at 9:57pm: Did you ever post Jarvis? or the Scott Lang/Ant-Man? I would also love to see your take on that snotty Moondragon and speaking of girls... Thundra since she appeared in the Avengers Annual where Hank/Jan become Dr Spectrum. Never did, but SuperFriend just posted a Moondragon write up in the mighty "Comic Conversions" thread, in the Fortress of Solitude, where many great things can be found. Also, more great character writeups are under "Classic Superfriends," "DC Characters for V&V," "Scooby", etc.
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Avatar Avenger Offline I Love Comic's and RP. V&V got me started Posts: 457 Location: Kokomo, Indiana Joined: Oct 12^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #87 - Oct 14^th, 2009 at 10:38am	Print Post
	About Aquaman bening extra dense. It makes sense as he is immune to the extreme pressure of the depths. Animals adapted to depths tend to be a bit tougher at depth,but not always as tough at sea level. (I used to teach science)

	If something seems to good to be true, it's best to shoot it,just to be safe
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #88 - Oct 14^th, 2009 at 11:17am	Print Post
	Agree. I think I had Subby extra dense for that reason, in Character Conversions, iirc.


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eLock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 45 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #89 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 1:15am	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jun 13^th, 2009 at 9:59am: -Hex Sphere: 5" radius maximum, front and side only. Otherwise as per Force Field, defense only.-Hex Power: May alter probability. PR: minimum of 4 per use.Roll d4 against Hex Chart to determine result.For each additional Power Point spent while casting, Wanda may move result by one increment on chart.Attacks as better of Gravity Control or Transmutation.Hex Power Chart:1) Environmental mishap: d10 damage to target2) Next attack / power use of target alters to No Effect3) Environmental mishap: 2d10 damage to target4) Random power of target suddenly activates / deactivates5) Next attack / power use of target doubles back on target6) Environmental mishap: 3d10 damage to targetted 2" x 2" area7) Environmental mishap: 4d10 damage to targetted 3" x 3" area8) Player determines effect! Does the Hex Sphere have a PR cost? I'm not familiar with Scarlet Witch until recently. So if Scarlet Witch rolls a 1, by spending 7 extra power points, she can do whatever she wants? That's a lot of leeway. What types of parameters are in place? What types of "player chooses" results took place at this time? I could imagine this power being a real nightmare for a GM if by spending only 11 power points Scarlet Witch can produce any results she can imagine.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #90 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 9:57am	Print Post
	eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 1:15am: Does the Hex Sphere have a PR cost? Yes, as per Force Field. "Player determines effect" means the player may choose among any of the effect outcomes on the chart. Welcome to the boards!


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eLock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 45 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #91 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 10:24am	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 9:57am: "Player determines effect" means the player may choose among any of the effect outcomes on the chart. I don't follow. Wanda starts out rolling 1-4. It sounds like Wanda can spend power points to move the results as she wants. An 8 is always going to be further away than any of the other scores, based on her initial roll. So if an 8 (player determines results) is limited to the 1-7 options, why would she spend the extra point/s to get to an 8 (player determines results) when she can spend fewer power points to get to those 1-7 results anyway? Try it out for yourself. From your reply, there's no advantage in spending more to get an 8 if she can spend fewer points to move her roll to get any of the other numbers instead.
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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #92 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:38pm	Print Post
	eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 10:24am: So if an 8 (player determines results) is limited to the 1-7 options, why would she spend the extra point/s to get to an 8 (player determines results) when she can spend fewer power points to get to those 1-7 results anyway? To increase her chance of getting the exact one she wants, which could be advantageous depending on the situation. For example: A villain is holding his Power Blast-able hand to a hostage's head. Wanda may prefer "Next attack/power use alters to no effect" or better yet, "Next attack / power use of target doubles back on target," over an area effect damage spell, to save the innocent bystander hostage. (In Avengers Annual 10, she pulverizes concrete to help Wondy, Jocasta and the Vision make a quicksand trap for the Blob. Such team coordination is really non-random, so allowing her control when she concentrates (and spends Power) seems fitting.) Also, she's spending the Power Point boost 'while casting,' ie: before the roll to hit, and the subsequent d4 roll for effect, in case that wasn't clear.
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eLock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 45 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #93 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	So you're saying that she chooses to add power points before she knows what 1d4 result she gets? Let's say she wants to make sure she gets an 8, so she chooses to at 7 to her roll? But let's say her initial roll was a 4. Does she spend a total of 8 power points or does she spend 11. I might just go with the emporium's write-up: http://paratime.ca/v_and_v/scarletwitch_classic.html


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eLock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 45 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #94 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:38pm: A villain is holding his Power Blast-able hand to a hostage's head. Wanda may prefer "Next attack/power use alters to no effect" or better yet, "Next attack / power use of target doubles back on target," What if Wanda casts that hex to alter the villain's next attack--but the villain doesn't attack right away. Does her hex wish goe into effect at that future time? I guess I always saw the results as immediate. But I haven't read the classic stuff.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #95 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:51pm: So you're saying that she chooses to add power points before she knows what 1d4 result she gets? Yes. eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:51pm: But let's say her initial roll was a 4. Does she spend a total of 8 power points or does she spend 11. 11. eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 6:55pm: What if Wanda casts that hex to alter the villain's next attack--but the villain doesn't attack right away. Does her hex wish goe into effect at that future time? Yes. It would appear like the Emporium chart's result: 'No Effect,' or that she missed, until the target attempted to act.
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eLock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 45 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #96 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:20pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Jul 6^th, 2009 at 12:56pm: Quicksilver may generate mini-tornadoes at a cost of one action. This wind effect does damage to targets equal to the Velocity Damage equivalent for inches of movement expended in the attack. There is an area of effect: for every inch away from the center, reduce one bracket for damage. This cyclone attack is more powerful than a hurricane with weather control. With his high initiative, Quicksilver could level out half a villain team before they even have a chance to attack. What attack type would you give it? Does the power cost go up by area/damage? (Kind of like Psi-Storm from the ASSASSIN module, come to think of it.)


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #97 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:32pm	Print Post
	eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:20pm: What attack type would you give it? HTH, so it wasn't so overpowering. Power cost wasn't incremental.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #98 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:46pm	Print Post
	eLock wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:20pm: With his high initiative, Quicksilver could level out half a villain team before they even have a chance to attack. Well, the damage dice are determined by movement spent. If he uses all his movement in his first action, he'll do 3d10 at the center of the cyclone, 2d10 in adjacent hexes, 2d8 and so on after that. But on his second action, he'll have no movement left. So he'll likely do a 2d10 cyclone, followed by a 2d8 cyclone on his second action, and then his movement will be so spent it won't be worth it to do it a third cyclone. But you're right, Quicksilver is dangerous, until you hit him a few times.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #99 - Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:55pm	Print Post
	8 PP.


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eLock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 45 Joined: Oct 21^st, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #100 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 12:38am	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Oct 21^st, 2009 at 11:55pm: 8 PP. Thanks for all of the follow-up about Magneto's kids.


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Doctor Foom Justice Leaguer Offline Silver Age relic Posts: 752 Joined: May 17^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #101 - Oct 22^nd, 2009 at 10:04am	Print Post
	No problem. Thanks for the interest. After thinking about it, I like your idea for incremental power cost for Quicksilver's wind attacks. Maybe PR = 3 + the absolute value of the rulebook's range modifier, as applied to his movement. Example: a range between 481" - 960" gives a -5 to hit. So when he moves between 481" -960" to set up the cyclone attack, PR = 3 + 5 , or 8.


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Dyna Girl Sidekick Offline recovering sidekick Posts: 26 Joined: Nov 20^th, 2009	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #102 - Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 8:31pm	Print Post
	Doctor Foom wrote on Aug 31^st, 2009 at 10:26am: Those are Stark's stats IN the armor, obviously. When a character's stats are raised in armor, a heightend stat is usually listed as an attribute of that armor. That's how V&V does it, beginning with FIST of the Crushers. So if you don't list a heightened stat in the armor (as in the above listing with Iron Man), it means that the stats match whether the person is wearing the armor or not. I too would have concluded that you intended, for better or worse, that Tony Stark also had an 18 Strength and 21 Agility outside of his armor. So even if you don't like the tone of the question, the response probably didn't deserve the "IN the armor, obviously" reply. Some of these snark/troll comebacks might bother more people that the people who you're intentionally targetting.


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Majestic Justice Leaguer Offline Guardian of Earth Posts: 5179 Location: Seattle Joined: Jun 8^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #103 - Dec 5^th, 2009 at 7:39pm	Print Post
	Dyna Girl wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2009 at 8:31pm: Doctor Foom wrote on Aug 31^st, 2009 at 10:26am: Those are Stark's stats IN the armor, obviously. When a character's stats are raised in armor, a heightend stat is usually listed as an attribute of that armor. That's how V&V does it, beginning with FIST of the Crushers. So if you don't list a heightened stat in the armor (as in the above listing with Iron Man), it means that the stats match whether the person is wearing the armor or not. I too would have concluded that you intended, for better or worse, that Tony Stark also had an 18 Strength and 21 Agility outside of his armor. So even if you don't like the tone of the question, the response probably didn't deserve the "IN the armor, obviously" reply. Some of these snark/troll comebacks might bother more people that the people who you're intentionally targetting. Yes, in V&V a character with devices (especially Armor) should have two sets of stats - one showing their basic characteristics without the Armor, and one with. That seems to be how they were shown in the modules and supplements, and it certainly makes it easier to figure things out if that particular "power" goes out due to Armor damage (as we talk about over in the "Armor B" thread). For my NPC characters, I tend to figure out not only the smaller/lesser total (for Strength, or Endurance, or whatever), but then I figure out their revised CC, Hit Points, etc., so that's it's easier to calculate things if the Armor's Heightened Strength (or other enhanced stat) goes out in the middle of a fight!


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Ms. Ptlk Sidekick Offline I Love V&V the Best! Posts: 10 Location: earth Joined: Apr 12^th, 2010	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #104 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 12:19pm	Print Post
	Interesting thread. I'm not completely sold on Scarlet Witch, since doing 4d10 damage to a truck load of people seems out of her league in the Perez era. And I give her Mutant Power instead of Magical Spells since that's truer to her origina. Have you seen Tim Hartin's take on her. I like that version a lot.


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Lord Inar Justice Leaguer Offline Posts: 569 Location: Boulder area Joined: Mar 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #105 - Apr 14^th, 2010 at 3:59pm	Print Post
	John wrote on Jun 10^th, 2009 at 6:35pm: great work! Pretty much my favorite era for the Avengers as you can see in my Comic Run List. Will you write up Jarvis? It's funny you say that. For another game (Savage Worlds) I made up a "Jarvis" where his primary "power" was a "lair" (Avenger' Mansion) with defenses, computers, etc. Now I'll have to read the rest of the posts to see if he's there!
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iggy rock Sidekick Offline I Love V&V! Posts: 46 Joined: Apr 14^th, 2010	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #106 - Apr 15^th, 2010 at 5:59pm	Print Post
	JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! JARVIS! And the Guardians of the Galaxy! Weren't they Avengers too--sort of--for a while?


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BillytheSquid Sidekick Offline mud is just a severely crushed body! Posts: 21 Location: Canada Joined: Apr 2^nd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #107 - Apr 15^th, 2010 at 7:04pm	Print Post
	awesome work!


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Lord Inar Justice Leaguer Offline Posts: 569 Location: Boulder area Joined: Mar 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 1980's Avengers for V&V Reply #108 - Apr 15^th, 2010 at 7:07pm	Print Post
	Here's what I've got for V&V Jarvis so far. Look in the spreadsheet: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ag7WeAh30rD2dGNTYkszdGRlUnVuXy02c0kzNDFo... It uses my mods, but you can turn those on or off in options.


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