Byrne + Alpha = Good

I couldn't stomach much after John moved on. Fact is though there were alot about/of comics back then that started to turn sour. Either the stories or artworked suxd because publishers weren't willing to pay to keep good talent. I also was really turned off by "creative talents" constantly messing with universe continuity

Hawk wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2011 at 10:48pm:


Yeah, I thought it was pretty cool myself., As far as his powers go, they really didn't really change. But instead of his suit providing the powers, they were now integrated into his body.

Majestic wrote on Apr 4^th, 2010 at 8:33pm:


Believe it or not, if this is meant to be from his first few appearances, his STR and Carrying Capacity are actually somewhat low, even though they match what OHOTMU said. After all, that plane he easily throws 1000 feet against its engines in his very first appearance? Over 200 tons without cargo.

When it comes to strength, the Marvel Handbook stats often felt "prescribed" rather than describing the character's abilities within the comics. The early editions said Sasquatch could lift/press about 70 tons (IIRC) and that Thing could lift/press about 85 tons. But when Thing first battled Sasquatch, Thing made a point of noting that Sasquatch was stronger than him (after getting hit a few times).

http://www.comicvine.com/marvel-two-in-one-where-stalks-the-sasquatch/37-21864/

It's always hard to put this stuff in perspective -
Writer's take license of characters all the time. OHOTMU, OTOH, hasn't always been consistent and in updates and revision has to follow those whimsical writers....

We used to have three categories for big strength in our game that dealt with Marvel/DC
1) the lower category filled with characters that were able to approach the big lift at up to 90 tons, that the games was/are able to well-define...
2) the 'usual' category filled with the known heavy hitters like Thing, WonderMan,Thor, Colossus, Sasquatch, etc...
3) the rare exception that included Superman and Hulk all the time, Sasquatch in a rage and cosmic guys like Champion and such... to get here is rare and there no reason category 2 guys couldn't get here if the conditions were right, but as a rule, no matter the game system, this area was forbidden to character generation...
It's hard because our comics reading experience marvels at the impossible and revels in the suspension of disbelief; when we game and try to put marks on the gauge, our writers have usually muddied up the estimation pretty bad, especially when they seemed to have to one up each other all those years ago...

Scott H wrote on Apr 7^th, 2011 at 12:18am:


You're probably right.  In addition to what AK said, I'll point out that over time, different writers (who don't necessarily even pay attention to the guidelines in things like TOHOTMU) give wildly varying abilities to characters.  They would all agree that Sasquatch has Heightened Strength, but each might choose to implement that in different ways.  Sometimes Superman can only lift a plane or a building, other times he can push planets.

Since we had relative benchmarks for at least one single stat (Strength), we took advantage of that and used the numbers they gave, even when it might have been contradicted in the comics themselves.

good call. also, Majestic: HFS! 3d20 for guardian's powerblast?!? Lawdy!

right on. incidentally, I was trying to calculate spider man's approx S and E to lift 10 tons. figuring 200lbs (which he isnt, even) and a 32 Endurance, he would need a Strength around 60.

Majestic wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:


I have to disagree with how to write Spider-Man, he doesn't have to have gamebreaking stats. I think John has the right approach and even without a homebrew power, he could be simulated with proportional spider-strength and game longevity...
And I definitely don't characterize him with a glass jaw, even if to compensate for a grossly exaggerated write up.
But alas, only my opinion...

(Mutant Power: 'Spider' Strength: Spider-Man's Carry Capacity ( and Base HTH damage) is modified by (x2? x4? x7? etc...) to reflect the proportional strength of a spider. No extra PR cost required.)

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Note that even Tim's write-up, which has that Body Power doubling his CC, his stats are way up there (ending up with 242 Hit Points).  It's just one of those things that happens with characters that have great stats in all of the Basic Characteristics that go towards HPs (Beast is the same way).

I suppose he wouldn't necessarily have to have a glass jaw.  There just seem to be times when he goes down fairly easily (writer's feat, I suppose).

As long as he doesn't have any protection powers (Invulnerability, Armor, etc.), he could go down with any blow, if the roll is low enough.

Great points, pb.  I'd never thought about how often sleep-deprived Spider-Man (and now probably Wolverine) is/would be.  Wolverine can regenerate, but Spider-Man would hardly ever have time to catch up on even Power, yet alone Hit Points!