This is the finished cover. Thanks Troy for the splash this morning; we are VERY excited about the pipeline of new stuff which is taking shape!

heh, he gets by - 
Preview...

Wow, that's an awful thing to hear Drosta...
I don't want to get into some strange debate but -
To set the record straight:
FGU has not been ignoring V&V for 20 years, and I am sure that they are not ignoring them now. (Gosh wherever would you have gotten that notion?)
FGU is just not going to put an official spokesperson into a forum to debate the disagreements.

The products have always been available, in print and reprinted on demand - obviously it costs money to have a print run when necessary and being real, demand isn't enough to warrant spending tens of thousands of dollars to roll a digital press.

Let's be frank, V&V's creators hadn't done very much promoting until very recently -and- after fracturing the brand in the last 5 years on a failed competing system using the same characters... (LL).

Another boner here - All this FGU bashing needs to stop -
Jeff D. hasn't missed cashing a royalties check - ever, regardless of how small - so let's leave that argument between Jeff and Scott and two lawyers and a cup.

This is unfortunate that JDJH have done the monkey house thing. A UNITED FRONT would always accomplish so much more, wouldn't you agree?

I like you Drosta, you have good ideas and are a great player-fan... you should imagine that any amount of respect that you command in a forum means that your words of non-support of Dave's work is hurting the game in general not to mention the future... so enjoy the fruits of everyone's labors and let it sort itself out.

Peace.

Gentlemen, first off, I'd like to suggest that everyone, take a step back, and not let this turn into a pissing contest, or a flame war. John's been kind enough to let us all hang out here, and with very few exceptions, the place has been pretty much conflict free. And I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd prefer it stay that way.

As things stand right now, it looks like FGU and Monkey House Games are both publishing material for V&V. Will both continue to do so? I don't know. That's something their lawyers will have to work out. My personal preference, and I have no say so either way, would be for all parties involved to sit down, and have a face to face meeting where they could actually try to hash out the issues between them (I figure after all this time, it couldn't hurt for them to split a pizza and some beer one night).

Until then, I don't think bashing one company, or the other, is going to complish anything except, 1) hurt the brand, which after 20 years is finally starting to have a bit of a revival; 2) alienate the fan base,  driving them away; 3)  hurt FGU, Monkey House Games, and anyone associated with them, financially (the only guys who'll end up making any money will be the lawyers). For now, I'd suggest everyone just sit back, and continue to support the game , and it's creators. (Play, host games, introduce new players, and promote it wherever you can).

With that, I'm going to get some much needed shut eye.

OK gents, I know I said I was going to bed, but this actually bothered me. I'm going to be up front with everyone. While I don't know all of the particulars of what's going on, as it's really none of my business, I have been talking to several people on both sides of the issue. And I have to admit, I'm a little conflicted on this whole issue.

I don't want to see anyone get hurt in this, as I truly believe everyone involved loves this game, and that's all I can see happening if things keep going down this route. What I would really like to see happen is for a neutral party to try to help negotiate a deal between everyone involved, where the rights to V&V don't get tied up in court, and any new product in the pipe line would get published, and the creators of past, current, and future products get paid.

I'll get off my soapbox now. And let folks get back to talking about Citizen Report. Dave's got some good ideas, and I for one want to read them. So, while I'm not sure about the rest of you, I'll be ordering a copy, later today, along with a brief synopsis of what's inside of it.

Dave was telling us here that Citizen Report was underway (along with a few other FGU V&V products) months before Monkey House Games sent out their initial press release. I'm looking forward to seeing additional new products! I really like Dave's approach--and the new FGU artwork we've seen is exceptional.

I have no issue with Dave at all. The freebies were great. I'm sure this product is too, but given the situation I do not feel right about purchasing it (and apparently can't anyway since it doesn't meet their minimum order requirement according to someone on the Yahoo group).

Allen

philzilla wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 6:26pm:


This is actually kind of embarrassing, on FGU's part.  They've still got parts of their website that aren't finished, links that are broken, and other indications that they are still being a bit too casual with the whole process.

Dave, Alabaster (or anyone else in the know),

I just noticed that the number of "Citizen Report" is 2031a.

So what's up with the "a" designation?  We've never seen that before from FGU (not on V&V materials, anyway).

Oh cool, so there will be a print issue?   I don't like paying for PFDs, and the comic collector in me needs the booklet.

John wrote on Jul 7^th, 2010 at 7:15pm:

Yes, eventually.
It will have Citizen Report, Enter the Gene Pool and a third adventure book that I cannot release details on... yet.

And thanks Troy for the clarification, I will still talk with Scott about working out that parameter -if possible-.

Just downloaded my copy. I'll post a quick overview in a bit.

Thanks for the info on this, guys.  I thought I was going to have to wait.  Like many, I prefer to get the actual book, but a PDF will work for now (I can always print that out, too).

A quick overview.

OK, this isn't a review, it's just a brief summery of the what's in the book. The book is a 21 page PDF (including front & back covers, and a page of counters). The book is broken up into sections detailing everything from businesses and corporations, to organizations, and my personal favorite, six street gangs (street level heroes look out).

There's also info detailing NPCs (Police, security personnel, notable personalities, bystanders, etc.), possible origins for super powers in your game, and information on weapons and vehicles that might pop up in a game. All and all, not a bad deal for only $4. That's what I spend on a comic I read in less roughly 10 minutes, and I'm quite sure I'll get for more mileage out of this.

On the advice of some people whose opinions I greatly respect. I have changed my mind about this product.

But I still can't buy it. I only have a debit card.

If it ever shows up on RPGNow.com, I might buy it then.

Allen

Yep, I used a debit card, when you purchase it the order said $12, I ordered three to get the minimum, but they only billed me $4 when it went through.

Check your Yahoo mail Allen....
AK