No problem with different power levels. Your right it's one of the cool things about V&V. I just never played in a campaign where any of the characters had the ability to do 100+ points in a single attack. There probably is one, but I can't think of a published character that can hit that level. Even a character like Mountain Man does close to 100 max I think - to lazy to check book

(related topic) strangely enough the first version of my character for Cougar's Megalopolis campaign had Armor B, Adaptation, Bio-enhancment,  and Hgt Str B. It turned out The combination really put him over the top. You take out anyone of those except Armor B and he was still tough as nails. You take out the Armor B and suddenly he was much more manageable.

(off topic) he let the character keep the Armor B and switch some other stuff, and suddenly he was less powerful but more interesting - thumbs up for collaboration)

Mutant Power: Biological Enhancement, 2d4+2 to Str, End, Agl each

dsumner wrote on Nov 21^st, 2010 at 11:31pm:


I think I like where you're going with this.  I'm not following how it would ignore the first 8 points in your example.  Wouldn't it ignore the first 12.

I would be more inclined - if the character took more than the SR - to make the Armor take none of it (like it is now), but I can see the logic either way.

Is it still the same where the SR goes down when the armor sustains damage?

ie: after being reduced to ADR 112 the new SR becomes 11?

The SR concept is cool because it allows the armor to continue being effective even when the percentage roll to absorb damage fails.

So the armor would always absorb the damage?

Although I think it adds to the math homework, I like the ablative concept, but if there's no chance of damage bypassing the Armor then that's seems awfully powerful

...as the ADR get lower (and damage absorption rolls started failing), the armor would continue absorbing damage at a declining rate.

40 ADR would have SR of 4, 30 ADR would have SR of 3, etc.

Basically you won't end up like the character John mentioned earlier:
John wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 4:30pm:


...which is why he had his own house rule about the armor.

If a less powerful alternative is sought, how about this:
Character uses 1 action and saves vs Agl to block an attack with armor.  Normal PR costs would apply, but the character would not receive an evasion bonus.

The whole "ADR" thing can be justified this way: when a character has taken enough damage to bring their ADR down 50% (ie: 100 ADR taken down to 50) then the armor is only undamaged on the lower portion of their body.  This makes it harder to take damage from "typical" attacks that are aimed at the upper body.

That seems like the thought process behind ADR...

Ranger wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2010 at 6:59pm:


Hmmm....I'll give it some thought tonight. I think a couple of months worth of playtesting might be the best thing.

I think I will offer my players a choice between flexible armor ( allows the extra rolling like I described above)  or fixed armor with the structural rating.

I'm bumping this up, as I'm still tinkering with it, and might make a slight modification. Also, has anyone tried this out? Or would be willing to give it a shot?