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Reply #70 - Jan 14th, 2012 at 6:16pm
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Oh but that would kill the trade paperback compilations and we cant have that - practically a generation of comic book "fans" think that's the best way to go.  Cry


Not really, long before they started "writing for trades" you could by collected versions of comics.

And as far as TPB go, the big two are shooting themselves in the foot by republishing books 3-6 months after a storyline wraps up. I can't tell you how many times I read someone saying they're going to wait for the trade, and save money. Why should you spend $18-24, while waiting anywhere from 6-12 months (due to delays), waiting for a storyline to finish, when you can order the trade, three months after it was published, for $15 off of Amazon, and have it shipped to your front door. Can you blame people for not wanting to be bothered with having to go 1) find a comic shop, 2) save money in the process?

I'd suggest they wait at least 12-18 months before republishing anything.
  

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Reply #71 - Jan 14th, 2012 at 7:00pm
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hmmm maybe my sarcasm didnt come through Smiley

That's exactly what I meant Dom. Theses guys are killing the industry with these things. You use to be able to buy collected version, but not to this extent (at least in Indiana). They definitely need to cut back on the decompression writing that is just for the sake of this TPB stuff. Save it for the things like Avenger's Sanction or Fear. Let the regular titles stand on their own merit.

I like the one year wait but some bean counter is running the show Im sure
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Reply #72 - Jan 15th, 2012 at 7:07pm
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Batwing:  I didn't want to like it, but it won me over.  Up to three, its excellent.   I love that it is set in Africa, in a made up nation.  The government is corrupt, the police are corrupt, and there are hints that the local superteam is also corrupt.  Batman equips the one steadfast cop in town and trains him to save his city.   

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Reply #73 - Jan 17th, 2012 at 6:31pm
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Batgirl: Ok so its not a reboot?   She was crippled by the Joker, but some miracle has cured her.   But she is broke, and I guess, was never Oracle?  I am confused.
   I liked that she had to go back to get her Motorcycle from police impound.  That was a nice touch.    I enjoyed it all around, untill the last page of issue three.

She tells Nightwing that she needs to solve this crime on her own.   WHat arrogance. 

She froze and a cop was shot, and a murderer was killed.  She failed to stop a train from blowing up.  But screw that, her ego needs a boost so damn the innocents who die cause she is not ready to be Batgirl again.    Nightwing should have said, when  you show me you can do it, I will leave you alone.
   Between this and Black Panther refusing help over at Marvel  while his villain is killing left and right makes me wonder who they are out in costume for,  the people or themselves?

Oh, and  loved the bad guy.  I will steal him for a future V&V game.

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Reply #74 - Jan 17th, 2012 at 6:32pm
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Supergirl:   Blah blah blah origin. Blah blah blah.

Issue three it picked up.  I liked that.  Lets hope it builds momentum.

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Reply #75 - Jan 17th, 2012 at 6:34pm
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Batman and Robin:  Ok so there were Robins before,  and  Batman was "dead"  so how is this a reboot?

I like the character of Damion, and if they stay focused on his relationship with his father, this should be a good read.   I like how   Bruce is trying to humanise his sociopathic son.    Pretty interesting.

The  Superheros stuff is secondary, as is, I think its supposed to be. 

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Reply #76 - Jan 17th, 2012 at 6:37pm
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Batwoman:  All over excellent.  Excellent art, probably the best in comics right now,  and good characterisation.   I loved that they brought back one of my all time and much lamented series, Chase, into this.
    So all is going very well.   

One little nitpick, and I know I will get shit stormed for this...
   In the orgion box at the start of the comic, do they have to say that she is a proud lesbian?    Why tell us, and not show us?   Is Superman a proud heterosexual?    I don't know,  I guess I am a still old fashioned.  What do I know,  I am a proud masturbator.  Oh, I guess that was private, and so is being hetero or homo.   That is my point.

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Reply #78 - Jan 19th, 2012 at 6:52pm
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Static Shock:  I liked it.   I can't believe I am saying this, but I don't  think they brough people like me who are unfamiliar with the character up to speed.

I know he existed in the Milestone Universe that was just absorbed by the DCU.  But why does he have a sister and her clone living with him?   Who are the people he refers to that are not in the story?  Who is Hardware and why does he give Static so much equipment.  For a lot of people, this is their first time with this character.   An explaination of his powers would be cool.  I assumed he was Black Lighting Jr what with the costume and name, but it looks like he can do anything.
   He has magnetic powers, ligthting powers, force feild,  gravity powers, super intellegence...  Seems like a Mary Sue to me.

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Reply #79 - Jan 19th, 2012 at 6:55pm
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Swamp Thing:  Ok not a reboot.  It refers to practically everything in the past comics, except Tefe.
    So I am getting more and more increasingly confused with the new 52. 
    Anyway, back to Swamp Thing.   I am glad they shed all the four elemental powers, as that made him a god.   This is off to a good start.  Keep in mind, Swamp Thing has been one of my favorite comics.  I have gotten every comic that I know about that he apears in.  So I am very picky about this comic.  So far so good.  Not great, but good.

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Reply #80 - Jan 19th, 2012 at 6:59pm
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Shade: Not part of the 52, its a 12 issue mini that may be cancelled before issue 12.    The Oscar Wild as a super villain/libertine/superheroe thing worked when I was in college.  It seems awfully forced now.

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Reply #81 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:00am
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John wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 6:52pm:
Static Shock:  I liked it.   I can't believe I am saying this, but I don't  think they brough people like me who are unfamiliar with the character up to speed.

I know he existed in the Milestone Universe that was just absorbed by the DCU.  But why does he have a sister and her clone living with him?   Who are the people he refers to that are not in the story?  Who is Hardware and why does he give Static so much equipment.  For a lot of people, this is their first time with this character.   An explaination of his powers would be cool.  I assumed he was Black Lighting Jr what with the costume and name, but it looks like he can do anything.
   He has magnetic powers, ligthting powers, force feild,  gravity powers, super intellegence...  Seems like a Mary Sue to me.

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I think you highlight a problem of perhaps more than a few of the new 52 books; they are focusing on developing mystery about largely-recognisable but-not-quite-the-same-as-they-were characters, adding to their power sets, yet taking far too long to develop them or explain.
  
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Reply #82 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:01am
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John wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 6:59pm:
Shade: Not part of the 52, its a 12 issue mini that may be cancelled before issue 12.    The Oscar Wild as a super villain/libertine/superheroe thing worked when I was in college.  It seems awfully forced now.

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I liked it a lot; reminded me of the feel of Starman, and that series I look forwards to re-reading now I have the set of omnibuses.
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Reply #83 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 6:44am
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PulpCitizen wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:00am:
John wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 6:52pm:
Static Shock:  I liked it.   I can't believe I am saying this, but I don't  think they brough people like me who are unfamiliar with the character up to speed.

I know he existed in the Milestone Universe that was just absorbed by the DCU.  But why does he have a sister and her clone living with him?   Who are the people he refers to that are not in the story?  Who is Hardware and why does he give Static so much equipment.  For a lot of people, this is their first time with this character.   An explaination of his powers would be cool.  I assumed he was Black Lighting Jr what with the costume and name, but it looks like he can do anything.
   He has magnetic powers, ligthting powers, force feild,  gravity powers, super intellegence...  Seems like a Mary Sue to me.

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I think you highlight a problem of perhaps more than a few of the new 52 books; they are focusing on developing mystery about largely-recognisable but-not-quite-the-same-as-they-were characters, adding to their power sets, yet taking far too long to develop them or explain.


This may give some insight into the problems inherent with the book:

John Rozum Bleeding Cool interview
  
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Reply #84 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 9:29am
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PulpCitizen wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 6:44am:
This may give some insight into the problems inherent with the book:

John Rozum Bleeding Cool interview


Ahhhh....DC Editorial strikes again.  Roll Eyes Remember this is the same crew that brought us such wonderful ideas as Armageddon 2001, where in the last issue of the series, Hawk goes crazy, murders dove, and becomes a not one, but two time traveling supervillians. Hal Jordan goes crazy, and becomes a universe beating supervillain. Where their three most recognizable characters (Bats, Supes, and WW) were not appearing in their own books, and they'd also killed Aquaman, and Martian Man Hunter. And I could go on and on.
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Reply #85 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 1:18pm
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Stormwatch:  Ok so this is  reboot.  The Engineer, check.  Hawksmoor, check.  Apollo, check.  Midnighter, check.  Jenny Q, check. 
    So who is everyone else?  I get the Projectionist, cool idea.  Which one is the Doctor?  Who is everyone else?    
    You can't start a reboot comic in media res.    Some good ideas, but something is off.  Seems like people with less talents then the old Stormwatch/Authority guys trying their best to copy them.

And Martian Manhunter on the team seems out of place. They must have read my story write up about the Solution, my Authority rip off for my V&V game. They had a Martian Manhunter rip off called the Martian and liked the idea.    I am being spied on by DC!

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Reply #86 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 1:20pm
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They're in your head!!!  Cheesy
  

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Reply #87 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 1:21pm
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Suicide Squad:   Not sure if this is  reboot or what, but then I don't think DC knows either.  If you like the concept, then this is the Suicide Squad done, well, like the incarnations of the squad from before.  Its a good idea and well executed.  My only complaint is that now Amanda Waller is young, slim hot girl?   That is not right.

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Reply #88 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 3:35pm
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All Star Western:  The same team that brought us the wonderful Jonah Hex pre Flashpoint is now on this book.  Great art, great writing.   And it actually has words, it took me the longest to read this comic than any other DC comic so far.
     Its now set in Gotham City right after the civil war, with Hex being paid by Dr. Arkham to help him solve the crimes being committed by a Jack The Ripper type of serial killer. 
     I can't say how much I love this.  Of course, its one of the titles that is in trouble.   Pick up the first story arc, its really that good.

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Reply #89 - Jan 22nd, 2012 at 3:55pm
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dsumner wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 9:29am:
PulpCitizen wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 6:44am:
This may give some insight into the problems inherent with the book:

John Rozum Bleeding Cool interview


Ahhhh....DC Editorial strikes again.  Roll Eyes Remember this is the same crew that brought us such wonderful ideas as Armageddon 2001, where in the last issue of the series, Hawk goes crazy, murders dove, and becomes a not one, but two time traveling supervillians. Hal Jordan goes crazy, and becomes a universe beating supervillain. Where their three most recognizable characters (Bats, Supes, and WW) were not appearing in their own books, and they'd also killed Aquaman, and Martian Man Hunter. And I could go on and on. 


Okay, John Rozum has posted at length about this on his blog:

'Why I quit Static Shock'
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Reply #94 - Jan 28th, 2012 at 11:54am
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Animal Man:  I love Animal Man, and have been collecting his comics since his last, great, run.   In the three issues I have read of this new series, it shows the potential to return to that greatness.   Its a little derivitive of Swamp Thing, with the Red replacing the Green, but thats cool.
   I think its a solid comic, and it looks like its not a reboot at all, which is a plus.

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Superboy:  Its a hard reboot.  Its a bit confusing,  and the art is on the Leifield school of anatomy side.    Need I say more?

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Savage Hawkman:  I have always liked Hawkman.  I think he has one of the greatest backstories in all of superheroe comics.  He has ties to Ancient Egypt and an alien civilization.  He dies and is reborn like the sun was supposed to as per the Egyptians.    What a tremendous pool to draw from, and what does DC do?  They give us this crap comic that was a chore to read.  I just finished it and I was so bored I didn't even engage myself to remember the details.     And the debut villian is called Morphicus?   That is the name of a villian we all made up in third grade.

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Reply #97 - Jan 29th, 2012 at 7:48pm
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Superman:  Its a reboot but not a clean start.  FIrst off,  Clark and Lois are not married, nor dating.   Other than that and the costume change,  its seems to be just like every other Superman.
    Three issues and the only real difference is that there doesn't seem to be as much Superman worship in Metropolis as there used to be.   
    And  the art really picks up on issue three when George Perez does more than just layouts.
   Nothing really special here.  Just competant super hero comics.  I was expecting more.


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Reply #98 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 12:03am
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Well in case your interested Savage Hawkman has a different creator "plotting" the scripts

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Reply #100 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 1:03am
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Action Comics:  Full reboot.  And  I noticed some inconsistencies with Superman.    *fanboy nitpick mode ACTIVATE*   Superman's cape is invulerable in Action but its all torn up in Superman!

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I liked Action more than I did Superman.  I get that its set at the begining of his career as Superman and he is not as powerful yet.   Its also a return to Socialist Superman as per his roots with Seigel and Schuster.  He is a more brass and bold personality, enjoying his power.  And that beats the weepy Superman we have been dealing with the past few decades.
   My big problem is that the xenophobia against aliens and superheroes in general as  shown by the hero's actions in all of the new DC seem to be reasonable to me. I don't know but all powerful aliens with a "tude"  bypassing laws and destroying property when they can avoid it with all their powers would make any reasonable man scared.    So to me, they need to make Superman more heroic. 

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Justice League:  I know people have been knocking this, and I was prepared for the worst.  But I have to say, I enjoyed the first three issues.   
   I liked that Darkseid is the cause of the birth of the league, even though I loved Starro the Conqueror.   I liked that Flash and Green Lantern seemed to be friendly and mistrustful of Batman.   Superman comes off as a bit of a bully, and that rubs me the wrong way.  And I understand this is set in the past and I look forward to the more heroic league in a few issues.     I am confused that Cyborg is "born" in this comic.  But I haven't read the Titans yet, so I guess Cyborg is a JLAer now.       The only thing that bothers me is that DC really didn't need a reboot, but that is moot at this point.

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Teen Titans:  Red Robin, Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, Skitter, Solstice and Bunker are the team I could give two shits about.   

And they were the quickest reads of all the new 52.   

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John wrote on Jan 30th, 2012 at 1:09am:
Justice League:  I know people have been knocking this, and I was prepared for the worst.  But I have to say, I enjoyed the first three issues.   
   I liked that Darkseid is the cause of the birth of the league, even though I loved Starro the Conqueror.   I liked that Flash and Green Lantern seemed to be friendly and mistrustful of Batman.   Superman comes off as a bit of a bully, and that rubs me the wrong way.  And I understand this is set in the past and I look forward to the more heroic league in a few issues.     I am confused that Cyborg is "born" in this comic.  But I haven't read the Titans yet, so I guess Cyborg is a JLAer now.       The only thing that bothers me is that DC really didn't need a reboot, but that is moot at this point.

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The big problem I have with JL is the casual killing displayed by Superman and the rest (witness Parademons being dispatched with no reference to any moments of conscience from the previously against-killing League members from the pre-reboot days). Yes it is a war situation, but it simply does not line up with how I have known these heroes over my decades of comics reading.
  
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Re: 52 in Review
Reply #104 - Jan 30th, 2012 at 4:25pm
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I thought the first few issues of Justice League were a bit plodding, but as the series continues it seems to be picking up it's pace

I'm an unrepentant fan of Tim Drake and unlike Nightwing (big Grayson fan also) the artwork is appealing to me. I'm interested I the character development. I admit Skitter and Bunker don't grab me, but it took some time for me to appreciate Cyborg so I'll give them a chance - as long as Booth is doing the artwork

Heroes killing demons is about on par with robots - for me
  

aka Dracos aka DarkStar aka Star Guard
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