Pretty soon a new file should showis up on the FGU site. This one is a little different...

It is an experimental set of guidelines for paying with/against "Really Big" monsters, people, and stuff. No "Really Big Robots" or "Realy Big Spaceships" in this one - I felt that was very nicely covered by the Doomsday Robot in "Deathduel with the Destroyers".

The idea is that YOU GUYS can help wring out the rules. I have created a thread in te FGU forum to discuss issues and ideas here:
http://www.fantasygamesunlimited.net/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=33

We'll see how this goes 

So where is the document? 

The document has been posted as a "Resource" to the Fantasy Games Unlimited web site in the freebies section:
http://www.fantasygamesunlimited.net/page7.html

If you go there and do not see the document, press "F5" to refresh the page (I had to do that on both of my machines - running CHROME)

So far, the only things I don't like about the "Really Big Thing" rules are:

1) It should be noted that the information and rule guidelines presented in this work are not to be considered “Canonical” at this point as they are only in beta test

This is located on the intro page and should be removed.

2) I understand that many will not see the need for these rules, or will state that “Giant Monsters” do not belong in V&V since it is about “American Comic books”. In response I will point out the “Giant Monster” in the V&V rule book, as well as the fact that Godzilla and King Kong have both had their own comic books here in the U.S.

This is on page 3 and should also be removed.

When the guidelines are out of beta, both of the above statements will be removed.

"Revised Edition", page 31, bottom right corner.

I'm curious why the Detect Danger score for Gorillasaurus isn't 30%, like other non-sentients -- and why he doesn't have -1 Reactions to Good and Evil, given his Ferocity: 14


Also, if Gorillasaurus is non-sentient, and only acts/defends as Level 4 as a result, I'm not certain how the character has Training: Endurance (as non-sentient creatures don't progress through levels to train).

Will be fixed in Revision.

His EXP value should be 275,646 (I mistyped it as 575,646 in the document). That is HP+Power. Since Animals don't have EXP levels I left the "x EXP Level x 2" portion of the equation off.So MAYBE that is a guideline, the other errors were just bad writing. They are fixed in the Rev 001 document already, but that will not be released for a while - I don't want Yad to have to do a new file and have James upload every 2 or 3 days.

polarboy wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:


That may be subject to debate. Do animals have any Experience level at all? They do fight as if they were level 4, but they cannot earn any experience. In fact, no non-sentient animal I have found in any of my V&V books has an EXP LEVEL at all. So... it could be "N/A", which I would read as zero for math purposes. It could be "1", or it could even be "4". Is a small dog worth Zero experience, 48 pts, 96 pts, or 384 pts?

Although this is not a point I thought I would be discussing, I'm glad it came up, as it needs to be addressed.

I do not disagree that non-sentients fight at level 4, I only question whether r not it applies to experience calculation. By the logic above, a small dog is worth 384 experience points; just over half the exp value of "Mirage" from Most Wanted Vol. 1 and three times the experience value of "Temper" from Crisis at Crusader Citadel. I am not saying anyone is wrong or right, I am just adding some perspective.

I can see (HP+PWR)*2 also being viable as non-sentients simply do not have an experience level. They also don't have an Intelligence Characteristic, but the Hit Point Modifier for non-sentient is "1" and not "0", so perhaps the default non-sentient level for experience value calculation should be "1" as well. This logic would make our small dog worth 96 exp (again, this is almost "Temper's" exp vale of 126).

Here's some supporting data: The revised rules note the following under the power description for Animated Servants: "All animated servants fight at 4th level of experience, but cannot accumulate experience points."

In other words, regardless of their intelligence, Animated Servants are like non-sentient creatures or solid energy illusions, simply acting at Level 4 even though they do not gain Experience Points.

In the classic era adventure The Great Iridium Con, the villain Malestra has an Animated Servant (a demon). That demon's character sheet stats him as Level 4 (following the rulebook guidelines for Animated Servants), and in the back of the adventure the XP for the demon is calculated using the same formula that is used to calculate XP for character's who are Level 4.

Since Solid Energy Illusions earn no XP, default to Level 4, and are worth XP as though they are Level 4 ... and since Animated Servants earn no XP, default to Level 4, and are worth XP as though they are Level 4 ... animals/creatures who earn no XP, default to Level 4, would in turn be worth XP as though they are Level 4.

Ironnerd wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 2:10am:



Gorillasaurus isn't evil? Your character sheet says Side: Evil

Ironnerd wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 2:23am:


I didn't miss it. I assumed you were taking editorial liberty and giving you the benefit of the doubt. Other authors have done as much, for example having a character with Intelligence act as a Neutral; so there would be a precedent to allow a non-sentient to act as Good or Evil.

Ironnerd wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 2:10am:


The consistent point is that opponents that act as Level 4 are worth XP as though they are Level 4.

Display Name wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:53am:


But it is in beta test...

Display Name wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 10:53am:


I have been told that "Mecha" has no place in V&V because V&V is about American Comic Books, and American comic books do not have mecha. In an attempt to avoid such comments regarding Giant Monsters (who commonly populate Asian comics, Amine, and rubber-suit monster movies) I added this to the beta-test freebie.

When it's not beta test anymore, the word "Experimental" will be removed from the cover, and the two comments above will be removed.

Agreed - I actually made a similar comment in the body of the document, even pointing out that there is a giant monster in VV2.

But Ironman, War Machine, Crimson Dynamo, the Manhunters, Sentinels, and the Doomsday Robot from DDD, H.A.R.M. units from "Mall Madness" (check it out, it's a beauty, eh!), CHESS Knights, and R.I.N.G., are all mecha - I still had to hear about how there is no mecha in V&V or American Comic Books. And that is why I went out of my way to state the obvious in this Experiment.

Ironnerd wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 12:46pm:


All things considered, Gorillasaurus does have super powers too, making him a notch beyond an ordinary critter.

Ironnerd wrote on Jul 4^th, 2013 at 12:32pm:


Ironnerd wrote on Jul 5^th, 2013 at 11:21am:


Cool!  And don't let anyone tell you that Mecha doesn't belong in V&V!  Just tell 'em "Display Name said 'ok'!"