Yes, I think 1-8 the damage is very low. It's why I always do the math. It's why I asked.

But math is no fun!

I see the appeal of the Heightened Attack, but it would mean she can do the Thing's damage with her bare hands now.
We could write Heightened Attack only works on force fields, but I'd still like to try Telekinesis as the formula. Will do the math (blech!) and report my findings!
Thanks.

Dat works!

BTW: I really prefer these pre-Byrne style images of the FF. I always thought Byrne made Reed look a little too aged (especially since Byrne estimated Reed's age at only 40). And I like Sue with her longer hair.

I'd either give Sue Heightened Expertise w/her FF, or give her some sort of training bonus.

SuperFriend wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2009 at 8:51pm:


Bruce Timm gets the right mix of Kirby and modern.
He's the only guy who can draw the Thing right, IMHO, other than Kirby of course.

His Torch isn't so strong though.

The Human Torch circa John Byrne's 1980's run

Level: 20

Powers:

1. Flame Powers: as per 2nd edition rules which seem to have been crafted for Johnny. If the Torch gets soaked with liquid, he must make a % save against his current Power to stay flamed on.
The Torch has trained to shape existing flames.

2. Nova Burst: PR: 20. Attacks as Flame Powers. Damage: 5d10 and there is an area of effect: for every inch away from the center, reduce one bracket for damage.

3. Flight: The Torch flies faster than Flame Powers allow. Must be "flamed on" to fly.

4. Insulated Costume: Johnny's uniform gives Life Support defense against flame, ice, electrical and other weather-related attacks. It's also made of unstable molecules and will not burn.

Weight: 170 lbs.
Basic Hits: 4

Strength: 15
Endurance: 18
Agility: 18
Intelligence: 14
Charisma: 18

Hit Mod. (1.4)(2.2)(1.9)(1.1) = 6.4372
Hit Points: 26
Power Points: 65

Accuracy: +3
Damage Mod.: +2

Detect Hidden: 30% (My house rule adds your level to detect rolls)
Detect Danger: 34% (My house rule adds your level to detect rolls)

Carry Cap: 440 lbs
Basic HTH Damage: d6

Notes:
Johnny is an expert mechanic.

I'm being admittedly generous with the Endurance, but again you get to 20th level and trainings max you out.

EDIT: Clarified his flight.

Re: Endurance: I guess I always see Johnny as a kid.

'Didn't follow the FF?' You got their whole supporting cast listed out!

I love Luke Cage. He or Spidey are next. I feel like I gotta get through the Marvel stars (of the 70s and 80s) first.
Then maybe the Inhumans.

I thought about Speed Bonus, but I think 70mph isn't fast enough.
He has to be on fire to fly, which was my intention with the above. Will clarify it.

d12 +2 is it. His flame was never depicted as a powerhouse attack, like Cyke's optic blasts sometimes are. And if Johnny needs the oomph, Flame Powers has such a good chance to hit that he can easily double attack.

Thanks.

wow that was awesome... i recall once he nova burst ultron and did not burn the outside but did the inside.. but it uses all his power.... great job.

Or subby!!!

Byrne actually did a nice job on that guy B-4 he got his own series.

I loved him back in the good ol' days when he fought heroes! I also liked how Byrne drew him. although I never thought he shoulda been even remotely interested in bland Marrina of Alpha Flight.

In FF#4 Subby is A-mazing, knocking Been Grimm back to his pre-rock self.

IMHO, Galactus would be a bit GM fiat, used to move the game along, as his stats would literally be off the charts.

Galactus
1. Size Change/Larger: variable
2. Flight
3. Adaption
4. Heightened Endurance: +30
5. Power Blast
6. Transmutation: he can even give others powers he doesn't use himself
7. Absorption a go go: increases size and strength and gives him more hits
8. Special Requirement:needs to feed or else gets weaker/smaller; he also has the Batman complex of needing a sidekick to feel good about himself

Watcher
1. Size Change/Larger:permanent
2. Heightened Intelligence a go go
3. Cosmic Awareness: he knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake
4. Teleportation
5. Adaption
6-7. What other powers does this guy have???
8. Special Requirement: gets punished if he interferes w/others

The Sub-Mariner circa early 1980's

Level: 22

Powers:

Animal/Plant Powers: Fish
-Heightened Strength A (x3): +55

-Heightened Endurance A: +15

-Heightened Agility A: +6

-Special: Atlantean physique: Can withstand pressure of the icy ocean depths. Body Weight x 1.5. Immunity from cold based attacks.

-Heightened Senses: Can see, speak and hear underwater as per normal.

-Speed Bonus: swims at 60 mph

-Water Breathing B: as per 2nd edition rules. When out of the water for Charisma (Will) hours, Namor is fatigued and begins losing Invulnerability, Strength, Agility and Endurance points at a rate of 1 per minute until his Invulnerability and Heightened Strength, Endurance and Agility bonuses are gone.

Invulnerability: 10 points

Heightened Charisma A: +10 (Charisma represents Will as well)

Heightened Expertise: +4 to hit in unarmed combat.

Wings: ankle wings, 50 mph

Telepathy: Limited to most marine life.

Mutant Power: Namor has a Charisma % chance to emulate a power of an underwater species. PR to manifest equals the power’s attack chance on the combat chart.  (Example: Lightning Control might be manifested from an electric eel at a PR of 15, and then a cost of 4 Power Points per attack.)
Duration equals Charisma turns.

W: Phobia/Psychosis: Namor dislikes and distrusts surface dwellers (and they pretty much feel the same way about him.)

Weight: 280 lbs
Basic Hits: 6

Strength: 70
Endurance: 30
Agility: 21
Intelligence: 13
Charisma: 23

Hit Mod. (5)(3.8)(2.2)(1.1) = 45.98
Hit Points: 276
Power Points: 144

Accuracy: +4, +8 unarmed
Damage Mod.: +2

Detect Hidden: 32%
Detect Danger: 36%

Carry Capacity: 48,480 lbs
Basic HTH Damage: 4d10

Gear: Trident: rarely used as a weapon.

Notes:
My house rule adds Level to Detect rolls.

Thanks. I've always liked Namor and all fish-men (Aquaman, Black Manta, Abe Sapien, Creature from the Black Lagoon, Triton) for some odd reason.

Ok, here's one I'm surprised no one's mentioned, Spidey. Anyone want to take a crack at ole Web Head? Also, I plan on posting my take on Cap and Task Master over the next few days.

point taken... i guess he is hunky...


as far as spidey i am interested to see his take on spidersense... i have always thought of it as a psionic power that allows him to take evasive action for free every turn with out use of power or a phase.

i.e. Heightened Defense

But would it really be just a -4 to hit the guy? i guess for hth that works... but for laser blasts or the like... he still seems harder to hit.  sorry to distract from the topic...

I agree with Ht. Defense and Evasion, with his sense making him aware so they count, but that's just me.

This week I'll try to post Spidey, Luke Cage and Doc Doom. Then I'll ease up for a while, give someone else a chance.