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Apache Chief! Apache Chief!

Disagreements with Black Lightning creator Tony Isabella had left him out of the animated cartoons, leading to the creation of  Black Vulcan instead. While lacking an origin story or identity, Black Vulcan remained the least stereotypical African-American superhero of the 1970s (on TV or in print).

Other members of the diversified Super Friends cartoon should have been so lucky. Case in point ...

APACHE CHIEF
Identity: unrevealed
Sex: Male
Side: Good
Level: 6

POWERS
1. Natural Weaponry (skill): +2 to hit, +4 damage, with a bonus +8 to hit giant opponents.

2. Magical Spell with Special Requirement: By uttering the word "Inyuk-chuk" (Big Man), he can grow to 50 feet tall. Height Factor = 8, Weight Factor = 512. His adjusted stats appear after the slash marks below.

Treat unique instances when he grows to cosmic proportions or uses other powers as "one-shot" inventions (see rules, p. 40).

Weight: 180 lbs. / 92,160 lbs.
Basic hits: 4 / 1,844

Strength: 18
Endurance: 18
Agility: 13 / 0
Intelligence: 15
Charisma: 15
Reactions from Good/Evil: +/- 2

Power: 64 / 51
Hit Points: 22 / 779
Hit Mod. (1.6)(2.2)(1.3/0.1)(1.2) = 5.4912 / 0.4224

Carry Capacity: 687 lbs. / 351,683 lbs.
Basic HTH Damage: 1d8 / 7d10

Accuracy: +1 / -8 (not including nat. weaponry)
Damage Mod.: +2 / -3 (not including nat. weaponry)

Movement Rates: 49" / 288"

Det. Hidden: 12%
Det. Danger: 16%

Origin and Background: (American) Religion/Mysticism. As a young man, he received a pouch of magic dust as part of a bravery test. Gaining size-change powers as a result, he later became a member of the animated Justice League. It is unclear if the hero is now a tribal chief himself or if he uses the title simply as a codename.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Chief

Atom of the Super Friends got a raw deal. As a guest star during the 1970s, the animated hero was significantly less powerful than his comic book counterpart.

Only yesterday did I discover that Atom became a full member of the Super Friends ca. 1980, with powers more in keeping with the comics. But those later episodes are outside of my range.

Here's how the not-so-super hero appeared when I was watching the show...

ATOM
Identity: Ray Palmer
Sex: Male
Side: Good
Level: 4

POWERS
1. Size Change/Smaller (variable): PR = 2 to shrink. Atom usually appears between three and twelve inches in height. Shrinking to subatomic levels will not send him to another dimension.

Scale: 1'
Height Factor = 6
Weight Factor = .004
Weight: .72 lbs.

Scale: 3"
Height Factor = 24
Weight Factor = .00074
Weight: .01332 lbs.

2. Body Power:  When shrunk, Atom can leap/glide a distance of 70", landing safely at the end of the turn, PR = 1.  He usually travels by riding on someone's shoulder.

3. Physical Handicap: This version of the Atom does not retain his full strength when he shrinks and must save vs. Strength (d20) to pull levers, lift telephone receivers, and move other hand-held objects. If a roll fails, he can try again. Standard HTH combat is not an option while shrunk.

Weight: 180 lbs. (standard height)
Basic Hits: 4

Strength: 14
Endurance: 13
Agility: 18
Intelligence: 18
Charisma: 16
Reactions from Good/Evil: +/- 2

Hit Points: 17
Power: 63
Hit Mod. (1.2)(1.4)(1.9)(1.3) = 4.1496

Accuracy: +3
Damage Mod: +3

Carry Capacity: 364 lbs. (standard height)
Basic HTH Damage: 1d6 (standard height)

Movement Rates: 45" ground (standard height)

Det. Hidden: 14%
Det. Danger: 18%

Origin and Background: (American) Research/Technology, Physics. In the comics, Ray Palmer invented a shrinking lens that gave him superpowers.

Seein' how everybody's got a website these days, I 'cided to make some adjustments to the write-ups above and place them on my very own cite: www.superfriendstats.blogspot.com

I had to take Apache Chief down to 5th level after rethinking how I was leveling the animated Justice League at this point--with the Big Blue at Level 10 at this point of his cartoon career.

Speakin' o' which, Supes is my latest post. I just put him up tongiht. Feel free to come over and check it out. I have a link back here as well.

There's no way I'm ditchin' this forum!

John wrote on Jun 21^st, 2009 at 7:57pm:


Thanks! Supes is one of the hardest heroes to squeeze into V&V. He truly is a 3d6 character--3d6 powers, I mean. Tryin' to stick with the 7 powers + 1 weakness model took some work, although it certainly meant pushing the envelope (although some of the modules do include villains with many more powers and weaknesses than that).

Doctor Foom wrote on Jun 21^st, 2009 at 10:05pm:



Hey Doc Foom--

You are so correct  Since I ended up givin' him a 160 anyway (after tryin' out some other stats), I changed the Mutant Power to Strength x 10. Less complicated than the two-step approach I'd been usin'. This makes him a lot cleaner.

And then I did give him Independence from Atmosphere.

The comics Supes has Adaption, fer sure. But I'm not sure I saw the cartoon character flyin' into the sun. What a relief!

Doctor Foom wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2009 at 1:32pm:


Those goofy Wonder Twins are next.  http://superfriendstats.blogspot.com/

Not to mention the Boy Wonder!

Hands-down, the Super Friends were the most Wonderful Team!

No wonder Simon Williams had such low self-esteem as an Avenger! Dude had a DC cartoon name!

Very nice....

Although i might add that gleek has long been atributed to being able to make a bucket out of thin air.

oh and wouldnt green lantern have force field? Or am I mixing up the cartoon and the comic books?

I love the fact that you did the tv show...I will use them at some point

Seein' how the Quicksilver write-up just went up, I'm pastin' down my take on the animated Flash from the 1970s cartoons. After watchin' and watchin', I didn't see any sign that the dude had heightened speed in the cartoons--so he's lucky to get a 15 from me! I don't give the animated characters all the experience they had in the comics--but anyone who went up against the Legion of Doom is at least level 4 (sorry Wonder Twins), with higher levels based on their earlier appearances and known histories on the show. So Flash and Green Lantern are level 6 to me.

FLASH
Identity: Barry Allen
Sex: Male
Side: Good
Level: 6

POWERS
1. Heightened Expertise: +4 HTH while running. With a special attack, Flash can tie up opponents while running in circles around them.

2. Heightened Speed (x2): +45 initiative, +1,350" per turn. Flash can combine movement rate with additional actions to complete repetitive tasks very quickly.

3. Body Power: By spending one action, Flash can shift to hyper-speed, running 13,500 miles per turn. At hyper-speed, he can run on water and vibrate through solids. Flash cannot attack, perform other actions, or make standard detection rolls while moving at hyper-speed. PR = 2 per turn.

Flash can spend inventing points to use his super speed to create massive vortexes and for other climatic effects.

Weight: 180 lbs.
Basic Hits: 4

Strength: 16
Endurance: 17
Agility: 15
Intelligence: 16
Charisma: 18
Reactions from Good/Evil: +/- 3

Hit Points: 20
Power Points: 65
Hit Mod. (1.4)(1.8)(1.6)(1.2) = 4.8384
Healing Rate: 1.6/day

Accuracy: +2 (not including heightened expertise)
Damage Mod.: +2

Carrying Capacity: 522 lbs.
Basic HTH Damage: 1d8

Movement Rate: 1,398" (317 mph) at standard speed

Det. Hidden: 12%
Det. Danger: 16%

Inventing: 48%

Origin and Background: (American) Chemistry. Barry Allen gained super speed when he was struck by lightning. The Flash is archenemies with Captain Cold.

Membership Status: Flash made guest appearances on the original and All-New Super Friends Hour, and was a regular on Challenge of the Super Friends. In the comics, Flash was a founding member of the Justice League.

Cool. Black Manta will take a little work, but I'll get to him ASAP. He's the only member of the Legion of Doom to appear on Super Friends before the Challenge of the Super Friends began.

A couple of notes about Flash. I found a few episodes that showed him running halfway around the world in less than 15 seconds--so the Body Power bonus works about about right in terms of calculations. At these speeds, he does appear to be faster than Supes (within the atmosphere).

Something that's interesting about Flash is that even when he's running at 300 mph, he looks like he's goin' faster because we see his arms and legs movin' back and forth. Others like Black Vulcan fly about that speed but look more stationary because their limbs are staying in the same position.

Come on. We're not picky.

Keep going!

Thanks! Nice Manta. I agree that the Special Weapon power could cover all his gadgets, working like the 1st edition power "Gimmicks."

I think Lantern's energy jet could be covered by his Solid Illusions, no?
I think his flight could too. Maybe he has a power that enables his solid energy illusions to move faster than standard?

It's fun and dangerous to watch old favorite shows. Sometimes they don't hold up. 

One more note about Solid Energy Illusions and Flight. Even the great Jack Herman gave Terra of the Titans an extra Mutant Power t/explain her ability to fly approx. 90 mph by ridin' on rock objects. So I'm still okay sayin' that Green Lantern has legit flight (or a similar ability) on top of solid energy illusions.

Hey, Dr. Foom--I appreciate yer flexibility. And I definitely like feedback.

Green Lantern doesn't fly in his All-New ... guest appearances--but the jet definitely works like a real jet--not like one of his other creations. I see the glow around his body as part of his Adaption defense--or simply a sign that he's using the ring's energy. On Challenge of the Superfriends he flies all the time and keeps up w/Black Vulcan and Samuria.


Here are some more notes--most of the time I'm going to leave out one-shot inventions. I kept in Black Manta's telepathic scrambler because he has used that in the comics, even if he used it only once in the cartoons of this era. All of the Legion of Doom use various contraptions at one point or another--so in that respect I'm goin' to try to be "bare bones" (to use the term you used in another thread).

I've never seen the X-Men write-ups (and have yet to meet someone who has). But I will post the Titans interpretations in another thread later this weekend--along w/some notes.

I went back and added some more detail about red/blue kryptonite and Superman's powers/fatigue stats under green kryptonite (as they seemed to work on the cartoon of the late 1970s), and tweated his Endurance down to 30. It helped make his flyin' speed match the initiative-formula I wuz usin' for Flash's hyper-runnin' speed. It also helped explain that Supes doesn't seem extensibily resistant to paralysis ray and similar Endurance-based savin' throws on the animated shows at the time. He still has more than 400 HP, and (like flash) can go 48 times the speed of sound (halfway round the planet in 2 minutes), so I think it still works.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman are up there too. In the first run of the Super Friends (w/Wendy and Marvin), Wonder Woman's powers were handled fairly inconsistently. But her strength level seemed pretty stable by the time the Wonder Twins came on. So I have her liftin 3 tons. Monsters more than 10 feet tall seem stronger than her, and I don't see her liftin' particularly heavy things w/out her lass, so dats' why I went with those stats.

She and Aquaman each have just over 50 HP, makin' them the next toughest Super Friends after Apache Chief and Supes.

Incidentally, Supes fatigued by kryptonite is still about as tough as Atom at his best.

SuperFriend wrote on Aug 18^th, 2009 at 10:29pm:


I think it's just different writers on the show, calling it something different in the script.